You will find yourself looking for other options besides the map ecu 2. Just a heads up... good luck finding someone willing to tune the map ecu, as more and more people are not willing to tune it anymore.
tuning map ecu 2
i am about to boost a 97 sc300 with a boostlogic stage 2 kit
after reading loads of info it has been reccomended to me for my modest power goals of around 450-500 rwhp that a map ecu 2 would be fine , i decided on map ecu 2 for they say its designed for obII cars like the 97 sc
can anyone suggest a real good and patient tuner in south florida familar with the map ecu2 and will give me a good tune
after reading loads of info it has been reccomended to me for my modest power goals of around 450-500 rwhp that a map ecu 2 would be fine , i decided on map ecu 2 for they say its designed for obII cars like the 97 sc
can anyone suggest a real good and patient tuner in south florida familar with the map ecu2 and will give me a good tune
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thanks for the heads upYou will find yourself looking for other options besides the map ecu 2. Just a heads up... good luck finding someone willing to tune the map ecu, as more and more people are not willing to tune it anymore.
so what would you recc instead ...i am looking for safe realible power in that range
all mods will be in place to support 550+ so at 450 or so it should be realiable
would this be a good alternative to the map ecu2 ,, i am resisiting buying a full standalone from aem for what i am being told it is a waste of money for the power goals i am looking for ...i dont need more then 475 rwhp period
car is being built for more show and some nice go power
this is from aem siite
Fuel / Ignition Controller (F/IC)
The AEM F/IC is an economical solution for controlling fuel and ignition on vehicles that do not require stand-alone engine management, including variable cam timing engines like VTEC, VVTi and MiVEC.
OVERVIEW
The F/IC gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or “boost hiding” controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
PRECISE FUEL DELIVERY
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors* while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
TIMING RETARD CONTROL
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine- with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
SENSOR CALIBRATION & CONTROL
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applicatons.
PLUG & PLAY HARNESSES- COMING SOON!
To ease the installation of the F/IC, AEM will soon offer plug and play wiring harnesses for select applications, making the F/IC a true Plug and Play module. The first harnesses developed will be for the Nissan 350Z, Scion tC and Acura RSX. Pricing and availability coming soon.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late model-vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
VALIDATED APPLICATION LISTING
The F/IC has been tested and validated for the following applications:
03-06 Nissan 350Z / G35
04-07 Scion xA, xB tC M/T
04-07 Mazda 3 M/T
05-07 Chevy Cobalt
03-05 Toyota Celica GT-S
03-04 Toyota Matrix
03-04 Toyota Corolla
All Honda K-Series M/T
We will be actively expanding this list as additional applications are validated. Visit the F/IC section of the AEM Electronics Forum at aempower.com for the latest validation listing and wiring schematics.
KIT CONTENTS
F/IC Module
F/IC Tuner Software CD
F/IC Bypass Harness
24" Flying Lead Harness
36" Vacuum Hose
3/16" T-Fitting
10' USB COM Cable
4 - 4" Zip Ties
Instruction Manual
RECOMMENDED PARTS
30-4100 AEM Wideband UEGO Gauge-Type Controller
30-4350 TRU-BOOST Gauge-Type Boost Controller
KEY FEATURES
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
VTEC controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
car is being built for more show and some nice go power
this is from aem siite
Fuel / Ignition Controller (F/IC)
The AEM F/IC is an economical solution for controlling fuel and ignition on vehicles that do not require stand-alone engine management, including variable cam timing engines like VTEC, VVTi and MiVEC.
OVERVIEW
The F/IC gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or “boost hiding” controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
PRECISE FUEL DELIVERY
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors* while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
TIMING RETARD CONTROL
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine- with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
SENSOR CALIBRATION & CONTROL
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applicatons.
PLUG & PLAY HARNESSES- COMING SOON!
To ease the installation of the F/IC, AEM will soon offer plug and play wiring harnesses for select applications, making the F/IC a true Plug and Play module. The first harnesses developed will be for the Nissan 350Z, Scion tC and Acura RSX. Pricing and availability coming soon.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late model-vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
VALIDATED APPLICATION LISTING
The F/IC has been tested and validated for the following applications:
03-06 Nissan 350Z / G35
04-07 Scion xA, xB tC M/T
04-07 Mazda 3 M/T
05-07 Chevy Cobalt
03-05 Toyota Celica GT-S
03-04 Toyota Matrix
03-04 Toyota Corolla
All Honda K-Series M/T
We will be actively expanding this list as additional applications are validated. Visit the F/IC section of the AEM Electronics Forum at aempower.com for the latest validation listing and wiring schematics.
KIT CONTENTS
F/IC Module
F/IC Tuner Software CD
F/IC Bypass Harness
24" Flying Lead Harness
36" Vacuum Hose
3/16" T-Fitting
10' USB COM Cable
4 - 4" Zip Ties
Instruction Manual
RECOMMENDED PARTS
30-4100 AEM Wideband UEGO Gauge-Type Controller
30-4350 TRU-BOOST Gauge-Type Boost Controller
KEY FEATURES
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
VTEC controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
I would go with what works... Especially for the power you are looking to put down. You can't go wrong with the VPC/AFC combo. If not that, then go with the MAP... There are about 5 of us off hand down here running the MAP Ecu. Granted, we end up tunning our own car. That might not help you, though.. But as far as ease and what not, i would just do the VPC AFC. Good luck, and can't wait to see the new ride.:wavey:
Dan
Dan
would this be a good alternative to the map ecu2 ,, i am resisiting buying a full standalone from aem for what i am being told it is a waste of money for the power goals i am looking for ...i dont need more then 475 rwhp period
car is being built for more show and some nice go power
this is from aem siite
Fuel / Ignition Controller (F/IC)
The AEM F/IC is an economical solution for controlling fuel and ignition on vehicles that do not require stand-alone engine management, including variable cam timing engines like VTEC, VVTi and MiVEC.
OVERVIEW
The F/IC gives users with OBD-II vehicles and non-factory forced induction systems the ability to retard ignition and deliver accurate amounts of fuel without the need for outdated FMUs or “boost hiding” controllers. This system works parallel to the factory ECU preventing tuning limitations due to complex factory timing patterns and will not cause a check engine light (CEL).
PRECISE FUEL DELIVERY
The F/IC intercepts the signal to the stock injectors, allowing the user to modify pulse-width by +/-100%. The F/IC is the only piggy-back system that can decrease injector pulse-width, allowing the user to drive larger aftermarket injectors* while still maintaining proper air / fuel ratios. This powerful system can also tap into the factory injector signal and work independently to drive up to six (6) additional injectors.
TIMING RETARD CONTROL
The F/IC has the ability to retard timing by intercepting and delaying the outputs from the cam and crank position sensors to the engine- with no adverse affect on applications equipped with variable cam timing. The F/IC can retard timing from the factory system based on engine RPM and load inputs.
SENSOR CALIBRATION & CONTROL
The F/IC can also be used to recalibrate / clamp the MAF sensor, eliminating common problems with non-boosted factory MAFs. The on-board MAP sensor allows for proper fueling in boosted applicatons.
PLUG & PLAY HARNESSES- COMING SOON!
To ease the installation of the F/IC, AEM will soon offer plug and play wiring harnesses for select applications, making the F/IC a true Plug and Play module. The first harnesses developed will be for the Nissan 350Z, Scion tC and Acura RSX. Pricing and availability coming soon.
CAN-BUS SYSTEMS NOT AFFECTED
Since the F/IC works in conjunction with the factory ECU, late model-vehicles equipped with a CAN-BUS system retain functionality of climate controls, dash and other components on the network.
VALIDATED APPLICATION LISTING
The F/IC has been tested and validated for the following applications:
03-06 Nissan 350Z / G35
04-07 Scion xA, xB tC M/T
04-07 Mazda 3 M/T
05-07 Chevy Cobalt
03-05 Toyota Celica GT-S
03-04 Toyota Matrix
03-04 Toyota Corolla
All Honda K-Series M/T
We will be actively expanding this list as additional applications are validated. Visit the F/IC section of the AEM Electronics Forum at aempower.com for the latest validation listing and wiring schematics.
KIT CONTENTS
F/IC Module
F/IC Tuner Software CD
F/IC Bypass Harness
24" Flying Lead Harness
36" Vacuum Hose
3/16" T-Fitting
10' USB COM Cable
4 - 4" Zip Ties
Instruction Manual
RECOMMENDED PARTS
30-4100 AEM Wideband UEGO Gauge-Type Controller
30-4350 TRU-BOOST Gauge-Type Boost Controller
KEY FEATURES
Works with latest OBD-II vehicles including variable valve control
VTEC controller based on Engine RPM and Load
Six (6) injector inputs with simulated injector load used when remapping OEM injectors
Six (6) fuel injector controllers for either remapping of ECU output (+/- 100% trim) or as a stand-alone extra injector driver
21x17 maps with configurable load and RPM breakpoints
Analog in / out for remapping / clamping MAF
F/IC draws power from PC USB interface for quick and easy calibration changes
64kb on-board data logger
Drives high impedence injectors or low impedence injectors with use of Peak & Hold Injector Driver Box
Three (3) channels of timing retard
Supports MAG or HALL sensor types
On board 41PSIA (approx. 25PSI boost) manifold pressure sensor
Windows-based Tuning Software
thanks danI would go with what works... Especially for the power you are looking to put down. You can't go wrong with the VPC/AFC combo. If not that, then go with the MAP... There are about 5 of us off hand down here running the MAP Ecu. Granted, we end up tunning our own car. That might not help you, though.. But as far as ease and what not, i would just do the VPC AFC. Good luck, and can't wait to see the new ride.:wavey:
Dan
you are running map ecu
you tuned yourself
Myself and a few others have great success with Map ECU, some have moved over to AEM before MAP ECU 2 came out to take advantage more features that the AEM has.
I have had zero problems with my MAP ECU. As far as tunning the Map ECU its not that hard. Your best bet would find some that is willing to tune the MAP ECU/2. I had fellow Supra owners help tune my MAP ECU (Mark C. (for street tune) and then Vijay (Race gas, dyno tune). Its been pretty much Set it and forget it for me, and Vijay tuned it about 2 years ago?
Good Luck
I have had zero problems with my MAP ECU. As far as tunning the Map ECU its not that hard. Your best bet would find some that is willing to tune the MAP ECU/2. I had fellow Supra owners help tune my MAP ECU (Mark C. (for street tune) and then Vijay (Race gas, dyno tune). Its been pretty much Set it and forget it for me, and Vijay tuned it about 2 years ago?
Good Luck
thanks for the infoMyself and a few others have great success with Map ECU, some have moved over to AEM before MAP ECU 2 came out to take advantage more features that the AEM has.
I have had zero problems with my MAP ECU. As far as tunning the Map ECU its not that hard. Your best bet would find some that is willing to tune the MAP ECU/2. I had fellow Supra owners help tune my MAP ECU (Mark C. (for street tune) and then Vijay (Race gas, dyno tune). Its been pretty much Set it and forget it for me, and Vijay tuned it about 2 years ago?
Good Luck
do you know anyone here in south florida that can tune it or should i look into the new aem piggyback
I wanted a Piggyback, because i've seen first hand the problems you can have with a stand alone. ColdStart being the first pain in the ass. With a piggyback, you retain certain drivability perks with the stock ecu. Granted it's a give and take situation with both ecu, but i gave consideration to what my main concerns were. For example, i wanted a pain-less install and minimal tunning required as with the VPC and AFC. Second i wanted my car to start and drive every time, thirdly, i'm not planning on making a zillion HP and figured the MAP was good for at least 700-800 HP which i am more than fine with. I've had the MAP in the car for about 1 yr now with absolutely no problems.
As for tunning, Supratico messed around with his MAP ecu first, and then did a base tune on my car a yr ago. It wasn't a bad tune at all, car drove great. When my battery went dead for a few weeks though, car went very rich so i had to retune. Supratico did a drivability tune and then STSUPDOG (ron) did a WOT tune. I'm not 100% satisfied with the car, but i am happy with the way she drives and somewhat of the power. I'd say i'm 80% satisfied. I think she's got more power in her, but i will leave that for a day at the dyno.
Hope that helps.
Dan
PS: I don't think you will find many tuners for the MAP ECU because:
1) They are not familiar with the system
2) AEM is running rampid in the market.
I remember during the Haltech days, Lance didn't want to tune any other ECU because Haltech was the way to go. Other tuners felt the same way w/ their standalones, because that's what they were comfortable with. It's all a comfort zone thing. You are going to endorse the product that you use and are familiar with. Do you think someone is going to pay a tuner to learn a new program? Of course not, you are only going to pay the tuner to tune your car, that's why AEM tuners who aren't familiar with the MAP won't tune MAP and MAP tuners who aren't familiar with AEM, won't tune AEM.
As for tunning, Supratico messed around with his MAP ecu first, and then did a base tune on my car a yr ago. It wasn't a bad tune at all, car drove great. When my battery went dead for a few weeks though, car went very rich so i had to retune. Supratico did a drivability tune and then STSUPDOG (ron) did a WOT tune. I'm not 100% satisfied with the car, but i am happy with the way she drives and somewhat of the power. I'd say i'm 80% satisfied. I think she's got more power in her, but i will leave that for a day at the dyno.
Hope that helps.
Dan
PS: I don't think you will find many tuners for the MAP ECU because:
1) They are not familiar with the system
2) AEM is running rampid in the market.
I remember during the Haltech days, Lance didn't want to tune any other ECU because Haltech was the way to go. Other tuners felt the same way w/ their standalones, because that's what they were comfortable with. It's all a comfort zone thing. You are going to endorse the product that you use and are familiar with. Do you think someone is going to pay a tuner to learn a new program? Of course not, you are only going to pay the tuner to tune your car, that's why AEM tuners who aren't familiar with the MAP won't tune MAP and MAP tuners who aren't familiar with AEM, won't tune AEM.
Like Dan said, I would go with the MAP ECU. I'd like to get the 2 soon, but I'm doing great with the MAP ECU 1. I had a great tune, but then also completely killed my battery by leaving the ignition on overnight (and both fuel pumps running) and my map went to hell. The map itself wasn't changed, but when I charged my battery the car was running unbelieavably rich all across the board. I leaned it all out by 5% and all was well. Besides that I haven't had any problems and I've been on the MAP ECU since mid 2005.
Tuning it isn't really that hard, provided you start with a base map. It is, however, time consuming if you do a street tune and you do it yourself. There are just too many load points to go through where you have to drive/log, analyze, change, & repeat til you get the desired results.
WOT tune is easy (and fun! lol)... and the WOT spooling area is also relatively easy.
One point I don't agree with Dan on is that he said you can't go wrong with the VPC/AFC combo. I would never touch that garbage again... and I YEARNED for the VPC/AFC since I was a MK3 guy in 1996.. Car never ran right, tried 2 different chips and all possible knob settings (incl. all at 12 o'clock) and the car would randomly run right and randomly go to shit. It would always go lean and stumble when I would press the gas harder (response was slow) whether I was coming off a light or smoothly accelerating from X mph to X + a few more mph.
Tuning it isn't really that hard, provided you start with a base map. It is, however, time consuming if you do a street tune and you do it yourself. There are just too many load points to go through where you have to drive/log, analyze, change, & repeat til you get the desired results.
WOT tune is easy (and fun! lol)... and the WOT spooling area is also relatively easy.
One point I don't agree with Dan on is that he said you can't go wrong with the VPC/AFC combo. I would never touch that garbage again... and I YEARNED for the VPC/AFC since I was a MK3 guy in 1996.. Car never ran right, tried 2 different chips and all possible knob settings (incl. all at 12 o'clock) and the car would randomly run right and randomly go to shit. It would always go lean and stumble when I would press the gas harder (response was slow) whether I was coming off a light or smoothly accelerating from X mph to X + a few more mph.
One point I don't agree with Dan on is that he said you can't go wrong with the VPC/AFC combo. I would never touch that garbage again... and I YEARNED for the VPC/AFC since I was a MK3 guy in 1996.. Car never ran right, tried 2 different chips and all possible knob settings (incl. all at 12 o'clock) and the car would randomly run right and randomly go to shit. It would always go lean and stumble when I would press the gas harder (response was slow) whether I was coming off a light or smoothly accelerating from X mph to X + a few more mph.
That's cause your car didn't like you back then... You did that entire sex change operation on it.... Remember.LOL
Dan
The sex change operation (NA-TT) was in 2002 and the car loved me for it... & anyway, everything on it is TT so there are no NA gremlins to blame for rough VPC/AFC operation... except for maybe my NA rear calipers. They may be acting up. :1poke:
Either way lol you suck at joke-telling
Either way lol you suck at joke-telling
The sex change operation (NA-TT) was in 2002 and the car loved me for it... & anyway, everything on it is TT so there are no NA gremlins to blame for rough VPC/AFC operation... except for maybe my NA rear calipers. They may be acting up. :1poke:
Either way lol you suck at joke-telling
:crying:
Japtrix (Jack Ciesel) Tuned our MAP ECU. He even taught me and my wife how. It is pretty easy, and kinda fun.
oh i forgot about that! my ex used to tune my car while I drove :lol:Japtrix (Jack Ciesel) Tuned our MAP ECU. He even taught me and my wife how. It is pretty easy, and kinda fun.
I have the MAP ECU 1 as well (infact I was one of the first 10 that bought it from Obiwan at full price). Anyway, great device, now seriously thinking about upgrading to MAP ECU 2 but that's still a bit down the road. If you are ever in Orlando let me know and I will show you on my car how to tune it. It was the first tuning attempt in my life and it couldn't have went easier, its based of RPM/Boost and you have to keep logging, doing a test run,..etc
Time consuming but very much worth it, and now for the price I highly doubt you will find anything similar that can compete with it.
Time consuming but very much worth it, and now for the price I highly doubt you will find anything similar that can compete with it.
i have the map-ecu as well and have had nothing but good luck with it. i definitely recommend the map since you know what and how much power you want. i also tune it myself and us very easy to learn. there is always TPS in west palm beach that can help tune it if need be.
BTW does anyone have a base map for a T67DBB, stock injectors? just though i would ask
jaysen
BTW does anyone have a base map for a T67DBB, stock injectors? just though i would ask
jaysen
Does anyone have a wireing harness for a Apesi 2 SAFC ?
thanks guys for all the help
looks like map ecu2 it will be
dan , i also dont want the cold start issues of full standalone and vpc combo is just to outdated and picky depending on weather and if you talk to it nicely
all i want is 450 rwhp thats realiable consistent and fun almost factory like driveability
looks like map ecu2 it will be
dan , i also dont want the cold start issues of full standalone and vpc combo is just to outdated and picky depending on weather and if you talk to it nicely
all i want is 450 rwhp thats realiable consistent and fun almost factory like driveability
good choice IMO and if you need help hit me up on AIM.
jaysen
jaysen
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