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A lot of variables, to be honest. I keep seeing a lot of armchair detectives, (me included) making guesses about bullets. "A 5.56 round is designed to tumble".. At 400 im not sure if, it would pass though one person into the next, I havent done that math and likely wont. If fyrarms, is still around he would likely be able to answer that. I know a 308 would.

One of the newest YouTube videos is a sound expert claiming after analysis their had to be 2 shooters because time variance between echoes in the videos.. plausible, however, we don't know if every round was 55 grain or if he was using different grains of 5.56. Also we don't know when he was using 5.56 vs 308. By the pictures, he had both but we have no other information.

I'm sorry about your buddy and my condolences to his family it's a horrible situation. I hope he can find some resemblance of peace in this madness. I truly hope the best for all y'all.

Kacin, while some of that is valid points I am just asking questions no need for the asshole replies.. like "fuck" I seriously don't know if /b/ is still around won't go there anymore. Only reason I knew /pol/ was is because im an idiot and curiosity got the better of me so I clicked the link.

I'm going shooting this weekend with a bunch of tests and two cellphone camera's.. I hope I don't accidently shoot my phone.. (hehehehe) I'm really interested to answer some of my questions on my own sound wise tho. I'll post results. Maybe via YouTube.
the reason i sounded upset is for the stated cause. when people pose all kinds of crazy questions about something without knowing much about the subject, they tend to piss off people who do know about a subject and know something that completely contradicts what people say. kind of like the anti-gun nuts who think guns are literally whats killing everybody every day, and not everything else in the world around them.


here's why, you didn't say "i don't know what the effective range is, but that seems farther than it would be." you literally skipped a 2 seconds google search and typed "He had bumpstocks firing into a massive crowd at distances beyond the maximum effective range of a 5.56 round.."

so i'm sorry if i came off as a jackass as always, but you should know how the assumptions of truth without evidence can set people off. especially when it comes to things like this.

I hate to speculate on all kinds of things because all that does is drag other people into your speculation, none of us are there to see whats going on. I work in troubleshooting all day every day, and when you do it long enough you look at things differently than other people. You use the socratic method for basically everything.... If this happened, then why did it happen, why did that in turn happen, why did that happen to cause that, where is the root cause. Whenever i deal in getting to the root of issues, i have people around me throwing crazy ideas out that make no sense because they don't understand how hybrid electric systems work or why they work, so the ideas they are throwing out are completely asinine and don't help. In the end you end up with people working a job for 20 years that literally thought something worked a certain way that entire time, but they were wrong for 20 straight years.


what are you going to test exactly? how fast to fire a bumpstock? how far you can shoot a 5.56/.223? before any of this happened there are plenty of example showing how far you can reach with one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ib9lOigEiE
 

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https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/12/las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddocks-reno-home-broken-into-police-say-reno/23241260/

...now the house has been broken into ? - thats pretty damn weird. Unless he was hiding something important in his house who the hell would chance doing something so stupid.
anybody who believes this is all a coverup and they want to get there first.

anybody who believes they can plant some kind of evidence and get away with it to further their agenda.

anybody who believes they can enter the house, and deem all evidence inside questionable because of the breakin.


etc etc etc.
 

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the whole thing stinks including the fact there were multiple shooters and shooting events all down the strip.
 

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I'm going to test the sound theory putting one phone camera at the target and the other phone about a third of the distance and fire off a few rounds to see if I can replicate that sound at 400 yards. (Or approximately) as I won't be measuring it out.

Also this video is pretty neat in the way of acoustics. While he has a good theory he is not accounting for the 308 and he is not putting into perspective their might have been different rounds which is easy to forget about. 55 grain roumd would get to said impact a lot slower than I higher grain round.

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55 grain roumd would get to said impact a lot slower than I higher grain round.
I believe you may have that backwards. Lighter bullet will travel faster than a heavier bullet, all else being equal.

Now, I think you might be talking about powder load behind the bullet, in which case your thinking would be correct.
 

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I'm going to test the sound theory putting one phone camera at the target and the other phone about a third of the distance and fire off a few rounds to see if I can replicate that sound at 400 yards. (Or approximately) as I won't be measuring it out.

Also this video is pretty neat in the way of acoustics. While he has a good theory he is not accounting for the 308 and he is not putting into perspective their might have been different rounds which is easy to forget about. 55 grain roumd would get to said impact a lot slower than I higher grain round.

https://youtu.be/JxmEFeKy8aI
not only is that backwards but you are going to need to know what rounds exactly he was using to determine what the velocity would be and then you could use that to try to determine the distance it was shot at based on the sound (if you have the right software) of the crack vs the shot. and the time between the two.



you are in way over your head man.


if hes shooting a projectile thats 3300 fps on average, don't bother trying to determine what the wind was like, if he was shooting into the wind or not, what the wind was like at the 32nd floor vs on the ground, etc.

at 400 yards a 5.56 can drop to as low as 1500 fps before impacting, using charts that people have already figured showed that its going to be a .53 second delay from shot to impact. speed of sound is 375 yards per second. so its going to be a 1.06 second delay before hearing the shot, aka crack then half a second later almost exactly there would be a bang.

you really think with all the other variables at the time you could differentiate between different calibers and grains of bullets traveling minute differences in speed???
 

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Powder load indeed was what I was talking about.

Kracin, I'm not going too deep like analysing like the video above, I'm honestly not trying to prove or disprove any theories, just gain a perspective of the sound it makes that's all.
 

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Well, I can't say I know what it all sounds like, but I sure know what the whole situation is smelling like...
 

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Powder load indeed was what I was talking about.

Kracin, I'm not going too deep like analysing like the video above, I'm honestly not trying to prove or disprove any theories, just gain a perspective of the sound it makes that's all.
if you want to understand how guns sound while they are being shot at you. go score some long range shooting for someone at your local range. 600 yards and beyond are too distant to accurately tell where you may have hit, so most have pits and raising/lowering mechanisms. basically youll be below the target while they shoot above you.


also if you were wondering if he was using 55 grain or different grain bullets, but meant powder loads. then you should definitely research the basics of firearms and ammunition, otherwise it won't make much sense to you.
 

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evidence for multiple shooter besides different gunshot sounds?
a lady was shot in the head at the tropicana inside the casino, and the front doors to the bellagio were shot out and replaced over night.
i heard this live that night on the scanner.

id like to chime in with this theory
the saudis as in the 911 saudis own the top two floors above the blown out windows room,
the security guard was originally up there because he got a stairwell door open emergency alarm and was checking it out.
how easy would it be for some saudi fuckers to go to the gun sale room do the unthinkable and inhuman like 911, shoot the patsey
in the chest and head, and zip up to the penthouses again and laugh as the stupid americans run around knowing full well the fbi
and cia will cover their tracks.

an even sicker twist involving management, is they sold the arabs the kill americans package
complete with fbi coverup and secure escape routes from private penthouse elevators.
 

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Weird how several witnesses of more than one gunman, have died, been on house guard with gag orders, or just are not heard from anymore.
 

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thats not evidence...... thats someone saying "THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE SHOOTER, I HEARD IT!"

and the average person has no clue about gunshots, ballistics, or even what a rifle sounds like when fired from a quarter mile away.
 

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lots of weird shit still going on long after the event = coverup.
or... its a bunch of officials scrambling to not be the one the media targets and puts out of work because they didn't spill the beans first...... mistakes are made when things are rushed. aka. media says tell us or we will tell everyone you refuse to tell the people what they want to hear, and you'll be the new target.
 

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Roll that hallway footage. No? Vegas has cameras everywhere. Interesting stuff.
 

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you will never see the best footage of that night because comeys fbi confiscated it like the pentagon vids on 911. same shit exactly.
 
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