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Of course. What something sounds like, and what it could be, may not be the same things at that distance.

People making money off of this event, seem to have established a much more lucrative atmosphere of division among speculators.

Let's hope we can stay on the same side.
of course we can stay on the same side.

do you agree that a bump stock can be fired at 600rpm or do you think the video that cue posted is definitive proof that it wasn't a bump fire type apparatus used? (my counter to cue's vid was a double play video of a bump fire shooting at 600rpm at the same time the mandalay bay shots were going, and they are pretty close together)

i'm not claiming it is or isn't a bump stock, i already stated previously the guy wasn't a moron, and the easiest weapon to convert to full auto right now would be an AR because you can get damn near every part pretty easily. but the rate of fire can still vary. and the point is that a bump stock with a 5.56 rifle can't be ruled out as the weapon that was used. (out of 22-23 guns up there, and having lots of money, you think he smuggled in a m249s? (civvy version, easily accessible))
 

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couple things, hes calling the supersonic crack of the bullet a "pavement hit" is the first issue.

the second issue is that it was reported that there were other things being shot by the shooter, like fuel tanks etc (thats a whole other stupid thing to analyze). he had no way to determine which way the shoot was firing when he shot. and just assumed ALL shots were direct at the person recording with the camera. change the bullets trajectory and you would end up with a different time between hearing a crack of a bullet and hearing the gunshot.

if his calculations based on sound recordings are correct. the different of .185 seconds between the more direct shots with a time between cracks and shots was .559s, and the anomaly was .374s. with sound traveling at 1125 fps. the distance sound travels in .185 seconds is 208 feet. or, in other words, in order to add .185 seconds of time (less time between crack and shot), the bullet that was heard, which was softer on video. was impacting (or passing by) about 208 feet away......

am i wrong?
 

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nope i didn't, they sound totally different to me in rate and frequency/pitch especially the one video with the two different guns going off near and far.
either its one story like jfk with one shooter or its not and its a wide scope conspiracy involving our government trying to tell us a lie like jfk.
i lean towards the latter in this event.

"What about Stephen Paddock's nephew, David? He talks about meeting "his uncle"" in Las Vegas in May. And perhaps Eric Paddock, the one who gave the interview to a pack of reporters, is the one that said Stephen has not seen or talked to his other family members for years, and that he, Eric, and their mother, were was the only ones Stephen stayed in contact with.

David Paddock is apparently a Furry. And he is really into it. He includes discussions on his Machinations log, link below. There were lots of photos on his Facebook page, including a photo of two hands, with the word "gun" stamped on each in red. One of David's Facebook buddies works at Lockheed Martin where Stephen used to work. The Facebook page is no longer available to view, but this guy took a video before it was marked private:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjtrtf_QxO4
https://mobile.twitter.com/ellewoodsruns/status/916237765066465285

https://mobile.twitter.com/ellewoodsruns/status/915071829601009664

http://machinationlog.com/podcast/2015-12-12-midwest-furfest-2015-fur-in...

Apparently there are little kids at the Furry Con
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6mkUuFMM0Y

http://machinationlog.com/podcast/2015-12-9-midwest-furfest-2015-dumb-qu..."
 

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nope i didn't, they sound totally different to me in rate and frequency/pitch especially the one video with the two different guns going off near and far.
either its one story like jfk with one shooter or its not and its a wide scope conspiracy involving our government trying to tell us a lie like jfk.
i lean towards the latter in this event.

"What about Stephen Paddock's nephew, David? He talks about meeting "his uncle"" in Las Vegas in May. And perhaps Eric Paddock, the one who gave the interview to a pack of reporters, is the one that said Stephen has not seen or talked to his other family members for years, and that he, Eric, and their mother, were was the only ones Stephen stayed in contact with.

David Paddock is apparently a Furry. And he is really into it. He includes discussions on his Machinations log, link below. There were lots of photos on his Facebook page, including a photo of two hands, with the word "gun" stamped on each in red. One of David's Facebook buddies works at Lockheed Martin where Stephen used to work. The Facebook page is no longer available to view, but this guy took a video before it was marked private:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjtrtf_QxO4
https://mobile.twitter.com/ellewoodsruns/status/916237765066465285

https://mobile.twitter.com/ellewoodsruns/status/915071829601009664

http://machinationlog.com/podcast/2015-12-12-midwest-furfest-2015-fur-in...

Apparently there are little kids at the Furry Con
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N6mkUuFMM0Y

http://machinationlog.com/podcast/2015-12-9-midwest-furfest-2015-dumb-qu..."
one video is next to a gun, the other is 400 yards away, i wonder why the sound is different?

stay focused man, its so hard to try to talk to conspiracy nuts, they throw a million links at you if they can't find a way to prove a point. and then claim if its unprovable with their current knowledge then it must be a coverup.

stay focused on the rate of fire. you posted a video about ROF, not about sound. are you admitting or not admitting that an ar can be shot at 600 rounds per minute with a bump stock or not?


edit: we can get into sound later and whether or not an ar being modified in any way can affect the sound it makes (muzzle devices, piston vs gas, etc)
 

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im saying that to me it sounds like two different guns at two different distance and
one sounds exactly like that belt fed one and the other doesn't in distance or caliber.

oh and the brother stuff above is pretty classic smear info leaked to shut up or fuck up the brother to keep him in line.

this whole event stinks especially the mandalay bay ceo who sold several
millions in stock just before, and george soros who went long puts 40,000+ contracts.

then there are the events at the other casinos and the strange after deaths of witnesses.
 

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im saying that to me it sounds like two different guns at two different distance and
one sounds exactly like that belt fed one and the other doesn't in distance or caliber.

oh and the brother stuff above is pretty classic smear info leaked to shut up or fuck up the brother to keep him in line.

this whole event stinks especially the mandalay bay ceo who sold several
millions in stock just before, and george soros who went long puts 40,000+ contracts.

then there are the events at the other casinos and the strange after deaths of witnesses.
Dont dodge it, can an ar15 be modified to fire at the same rpm as an m249 or not?

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can an ar be modified into a bong? what are you asking?
are you saying he modified an ar? to sound exactly like a belt fed machine gun?
did the fbi or anyone say that because i haven't heard it.
i have heard two guns going off at two distances with seemingly vastly different calibers.


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Paddock sold his plane to USH - which had less than 5 employees but offices in 5 cities, made less than 500k/year, ***and chauffeured "students"
around the world. It then ended up in the hands of an Obama Administration Intelligence Officer, during the time 65k in hot dogs and pizza were flown
from Chicago to the White House - I cannot get any info on where the place was during the pizza party - anyone got data on this?
 

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can an ar be modified into a bong? what are you asking?
are you saying he modified an ar? to sound exactly like a belt fed machine gun?
did the fbi or anyone say that because i haven't heard it.
i have heard two guns going off at two distances with seemingly vastly different calibers.


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Paddock sold his plane to USH - which had less than 5 employees but offices in 5 cities, made less than 500k/year, ***and chauffeured "students"
around the world. It then ended up in the hands of an Obama Administration Intelligence Officer, during the time 65k in hot dogs and pizza were flown
from Chicago to the White House - I cannot get any info on where the place was during the pizza party - anyone got data on this?
im asking you to verify that you do believe an ar will shoot at the same rate of fire as an m249 based on the evidence shown (the video i showed you). and i'll take it one step further, does every single ar sound exactly the same? what about every belt fed machinegun, do they all sound exactly the same? can you discern the sound at 400 yards of a belt fed gun using a magazine instead of a belt? are you aware that when listening to a gun shooting next to you you are hearing the boom and crack and nearly the exact same time? it's expected that the sound is going to be very different from near and far, it's the same reason people who want to shoot a suppressed weapon want to shoot subsonic ammo.

1) now you're going by official fbi reports?
2) he modified an AR by the reports, if that's what you're asking, we don't know to what extent.
3) i never stated that it was 100% an ar, or any other weapon. i'm posing the questions because the absoluteness of your suggestion that it was an m249 has too many holes to verify the claim, and it does no one good to talk in absolutes, it just muddies the waters.
 

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So, the guy removed/destroyed the HDD from his lap top? Well, unless someone else is involved, i dont see the logic why would someone who decided to do mass shooting and kill himself, would care about removing the HDD. Not like he was trying to avoid being connected to the murder lol .

Again, it could be nothing but...doesnt make a lot of sense.
 

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So, the guy removed/destroyed the HDD from his lap top? Well, unless someone else is involved, i dont see the logic why would someone who decided to do mass shooting and kill himself, would care about removing the HDD. Not like he was trying to avoid being connected to the murder lol .

Again, it could be nothing but...doesnt make a lot of sense.
a few ways to take it

either its someone who took it trying to cover things up

or, hes a sick bastard and knows how to fuck with people and play mind games (which he probably did considering the family history) and removed it knowing it would haunt people after he was dead.

or, the chain of custody was fucked once again on important things and it was lost/stolen in custody, and they are reporting it as missing and not lost.
 

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Uhh....:) Or predator used his "invisible mode" , pass through security and took it. Joking Kracin :) Yeah...could be that police lost it....but when u have a lot of ??????? , its hard to believe that every single suspicious thing has stupid explanation.

In 9-11, there were 75 cameras around Pentagon...yet, not just there is no ONE video, but even after 15 years, they gave us only ONE pic where u can barely see the nose of the plane......yeah...it could be as simple as " well, why would we wanna see the plane"...but when u have another 50 things that dont add up at all....that's when people become VERY suspicious.
 

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Uhh....:) Or predator used his "invisible mode" , pass through security and took it. Joking Kracin :) Yeah...could be that police lost it....but when u have a lot of ??????? , its hard to believe that every single suspicious thing has stupid explanation.

In 9-11, there were 75 cameras around Pentagon...yet, not just there is no ONE video, but even after 15 years, they gave us only ONE pic where u can barely see the nose of the plane......yeah...it could be as simple as " well, why would we wanna see the plane"...but when u have another 50 things that dont add up at all....that's when people become VERY suspicious.
suspicions are common, and people should be if something doesn't feel right. but theres a big difference between having a suspicion and jumping to conclusions that fit a bias.

don't forget how fucked up our legal system is, exposing materials in an investigation can screw over the chances of putting people in prison.
 

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So, the guy removed/destroyed the HDD from his lap top? Well, unless someone else is involved, i dont see the logic why would someone who decided to do mass shooting and kill himself, would care about removing the HDD. Not like he was trying to avoid being connected to the murder lol .

Again, it could be nothing but...doesnt make a lot of sense.
brings laptop, removes hd kills people, gets shot in chest and head dies, hard drive missing, 3 weeks later fbi reveals browser history contains mass murder searches. fuck this charade.
 

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im asking you to verify that you do believe an ar will shoot at the same rate of fire as an m249 based on the evidence shown (the video i showed you). and i'll take it one step further, does every single ar sound exactly the same? what about every belt fed machinegun, do they all sound exactly the same? can you discern the sound at 400 yards of a belt fed gun using a magazine instead of a belt? are you aware that when listening to a gun shooting next to you you are hearing the boom and crack and nearly the exact same time? it's expected that the sound is going to be very different from near and far, it's the same reason people who want to shoot a suppressed weapon want to shoot subsonic ammo.

1) now you're going by official fbi reports?
2) he modified an AR by the reports, if that's what you're asking, we don't know to what extent.
3) i never stated that it was 100% an ar, or any other weapon. i'm posing the questions because the absoluteness of your suggestion that it was an m249 has too many holes to verify the claim, and it does no one good to talk in absolutes, it just muddies the waters.
all im saying as a casual observer it sounds to me exactly like that big machine gun and some other gun firing from
near and far from the recording position. leading me to believe there were two shooters or more with the additional implications of that and no video?
 

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Investigators suspect gunman removed the hard drive from the laptop after opened fire from his high-rise suite at the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino into a crowd


Ok...so....he was shooting like crazy for 10min, and all of the sudden he was like "holly shit, have to take my HD out" :lol: Or he finished shooting, left the guns calmly, took a screwdriver and was like "ok, time to open my lap top".

Second...if he took the hard disk out and killed himself without getting out of the room...how come they cant find it.
 

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Sometimes it's best not to argue with certain people.

Not everybody will understand.
 
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