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What A/R are the GT4202R and GT4276R guys running on 3.0L?

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As title states, I am trying to figure out which A/R I need to order.

I have a fully built 2.6L motor, with a built head, and am trying to figure out which works on the 3.0L 2JZ motors.

I can't find many threads with this turbo being used on the Skyline GTR's, so I figure your my next best resource for sizing information.

Any guidance is appreciated.
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As a manifold builder in australia I have done a fair bit of work with the RB26, as also nissan is far more popular than toyota over hear. We have had great success with the 1.01 T4 flange rear housing, I've personally never gone under 1.01, although there is a .91 available, while some people will tell you you can't make power through small housings, we have made 520rwkw on a dyno dynamics dyno (800whp dynojet) through a .91 rear housing on a single cam RB30 motor.

The compromise is, the bigger you go, the more lag you incur. Often it may not show in outright spool rpm, so you might lose 100-150rpm between housings at which RPM they make peak boost, however transient response I have found feels substantially different than the peak rpm would indicate. I would be loath to go anuything above 1.15 on a street driven car, Geoff may be able to chime in here, as he has a GT4202 on his own car with a 1.15 rear housing from memory, I think from his dyno graph it made 30psi around 6000-6500rpm???

The 1.01 to me is the perfect compromise, a mix of big enough for power and small enough for spool. Also keep in mind that a 1.01 in the bigger frame turbo is much larger than a comparable T4 housing, so a 1.01 GT42 housing would be maybe equivelent to a 1.32 T4 rear housing, which, as you can see is quite big. Or, comparing to the GT40 you currently have, would be similar to the 1.15 rear housing on the GT40.

With a 1.01 rear housing GT4202 on a stock internal 2JZ we are making 27psi at 4900rpm, I'd expect 30psi on a RB26 at around 5500-5900rpm.

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As a manifold builder in australia I have done a fair bit of work with the RB26, as also nissan is far more popular than toyota over hear. We have had great success with the 1.01 T4 flange rear housing, I've personally never gone under 1.01, although there is a .91 available, while some people will tell you you can't make power through small housings, we have made 520rwkw on a dyno dynamics dyno (800whp dynojet) through a .91 rear housing on a single cam RB30 motor.

The compromise is, the bigger you go, the more lag you incur. Often it may not show in outright spool rpm, so you might lose 100-150rpm between housings at which RPM they make peak boost, however transient response I have found feels substantially different than the peak rpm would indicate. I would be loath to go anuything above 1.15 on a street driven car, Geoff may be able to chime in here, as he has a GT4202 on his own car with a 1.15 rear housing from memory, I think from his dyno graph it made 30psi around 6000-6500rpm???

The 1.01 to me is the perfect compromise, a mix of big enough for power and small enough for spool. Also keep in mind that a 1.01 in the bigger frame turbo is much larger than a comparable T4 housing, so a 1.01 GT42 housing would be maybe equivelent to a 1.32 T4 rear housing, which, as you can see is quite big. Or, comparing to the GT40 you currently have, would be similar to the 1.15 rear housing on the GT40.

With a 1.01 rear housing GT4202 on a stock internal 2JZ we are making 27psi at 4900rpm, I'd expect 30psi on a RB26 at around 5500-5900rpm.

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I was hoping for 5500, so this is exactly what I was wanting to hear.

Now I just need to decide whether I want the GT4202 or the GT4276R?
We don't get the GT4276 in australia, only the 4202, however the 4202 has a very wide and very tall efficiency island, so it works on small/medium displacement engines very well, and can work to very high boost pressures well on the 2.6, I'd also hazard a guess in saying that the 74mm GT4202 will flow as much air as the 1.01 rear housing will make, and by the time you needed to step up to the 76mm turbo you'd prob be better off using a larger rear housing. This will also ensure you have the fastest spooling turbo for your hp output as well.

1.01 and GT4202 is my pick for the 2.6:)

You currently have a GT4094 on your car with the .95 rear housing yes?? On a full race manifold?? When driving on the street, say in 3rd or 4th gear roll on, at what rpm do you hit full boost now?? As I have a 2.2 litre 6 cylinder race engine, and am looking at going from a T66 up to a 4094, but due to being auto, can't afford too much more lag, I'd be interested to know where your hitting full boost to compare.

Cheers.........................6BOOST
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GT4088R, .95 A/R (25 PSI) on E85 Ethanol Gas- Pump Gas Map
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Hmm, by the look sof your graph, your car isn't hitting full boost till 5000-5200rpm. Does that sound right?? If so, that sounds terribly laggy for your setup, we have a GT42 on full noise by 5800rpm, and on your setup, I Wouldn't expect it to be till well after 6000rpm if your 4088 isn't hitting full boost till 5200pm.

Have you driven it on the road?? How does that compare to what the dyno graph indictates??

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Im running the 1.15 a/r on my 3.1 6G72 3000GT. Positive boost comes in at 4500ish.
sounds like thats slow.. when does full boost hit?

Im running the 1.15 a/r on my 3.1 6G72 3000GT. Positive boost comes in at 4500ish.
Hmm, by the look sof your graph, your car isn't hitting full boost till 5000-5200rpm. Does that sound right?? If so, that sounds terribly laggy for your setup, we have a GT42 on full noise by 5800rpm, and on your setup, I Wouldn't expect it to be till well after 6000rpm if your 4088 isn't hitting full boost till 5200pm.

Have you driven it on the road?? How does that compare to what the dyno graph indictates??

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I have 260/260 cams, and have NOT dialed in the cam gears. The cam gears on this car make a big difference in the spool, from everything I've seen.

I just dont want to waste anymore money on the dyno, as I have no desire to keep the current turbo setup.
keep in mind this was untuned on a emanage blue, I havnt hit full boost yet on the aem set up. I will have more solid numbers this week sometime.
Most of our customers are running the 1.01 now on the higher HP 2JZ's with the GT42-74 and GT42-76. The ones with the GT42X are going 1.15A/R for more top end flow. With the new Garrett GT45-78F non-BB, they are going 1.01A/R.

All of the units are 1000hp capable and spool well within the 5000rpm range.
I currently have the 1.01 on my supra, and will eventually step up to the 1.44 turbine housing. With my car the turbine housing is really choking the flow and limiting me to 31 psi at redline.

I have seen that you can expect to lose 300-400 RPM of spool and pick up at least 30 hp by switching from the smallest turbine housing to the largest.
I currently have the 1.01 on my supra, and will eventually step up to the 1.44 turbine housing. With my car the turbine housing is really choking the flow and limiting me to 31 psi at redline.

I have seen that you can expect to lose 300-400 RPM of spool and pick up at least 30 hp by switching from the smallest turbine housing to the largest.
Sounds like you may need to swap to the GT45F then. The larger 87mm turbine wheel will help out since its the 11 blade LDP design instead of the current 12 blade used in the current GT45R-DBB unit..
Contacted Garrett, and they recommended the 1.28 for my 9000 RPM redline, 2.6L motor.

I would suspect that you guys will want to go with at least this large, if not even the next size up.
Contacted Garrett, and they recommended the 1.28 for my 9000 RPM redline, 2.6L motor.

I would suspect that you guys will want to go with at least this large, if not even the next size up.

For that size engine the 1.28 should do just fine. If not their is always the GT45F or the GT45R if you have the dough.
What do you guys think of the Borg Warner turbo's?

It's pretty tough to spend the extra money on the Garrett GT line-up, when I can get the BW at a much lower price.

Any proven results out there with these?
Heres a dyno of a RB26 w/ fullrace divided manifold and non ball bearing gt4202 1.28 a/r:



http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?p=773940

Regards,
Justin
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Hey that looks familiar :).......prolly cuz its mine!

That was at 14psi

Here's my 20psi chart .....i switched to the 1.01



I have currently made 680rwhp @ 24psi with the car on the same 4202-74 setup, however I do not have the dyno charts yet. I am hoping to get them tomorrow. Going back on the logs, I am making 24psi by 6200ish...

Here's a log from the 680rwhp pull



I have not messed with cam timing or changed spool timing from my pump gas maps. I suspect I could pick up a few hundred RPM's by spending more time on the dyno
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I posted a link to your thread on hybridz. I didn't mean to imply that was my car.

Regards,
Justin
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