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Blow off valve questions. (Location, how many, and fakes)

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#1 ·
Ive got a 95 supra single setup with a borg warner s300sx single on it. I put down 470whp at 18psi on the old borg turbo. I just put the new turbo on and i was thinking about my blow off valve setup. I have an hks ssqv 4.

Location: currently the bov is located on the pipe on the opposite side of the turbo (intake side). My logic tells me that ideally the bov should be as close to the turbo as possible to avoid compressor surge. Is this a big deal where on th ic piping the blow off valve is or is this a minor detail that makes little to no difference?

Quantity: as i said above Im at 18-19psi under 500whp. Will 1 hks bov suffice at this power range or should i buy a second one and mount it to the hotpipe? My other option is to move my current bov to the hotpipe and stick with a single bov.

Brand/quality: ive had a few people tell me to ditch the hks and get a tial 50mm bov. I dont know much about different manufacturers and quality but on all 3 turbo cars ive owned ive gone with hks for the reputation and sound. Any input here is welcome

Fakes: Im sure we have all seen the fake hks bov online under $100. I wouldnt dream of buying one, but i was concerned about the one I have currently because i didnt purchase it as it was on the car when I bought it. I did some reading and there are a couple threads online with pictures on the 3rd gen ssqv but nothing on the most current model. I havent had any known issues with mine so far. As far as i can tell with the trademark on the logo And the looks of the bolts holding it together mine is authentic. If anyone has any info on this that the common google search doesnt reveal please let me/us know.
 
#2 ·
Ideal spot is actually close to the throttle body, I have mine mounted where you said yours is. It's also visible to people when they see it. Personally I hear people go with tial and it's a great bang for the buck. Great sound great value
 
#3 · (Edited)
Agree with Biologist, the best location in my opinion is nearest to the TB, I have mine there as well and it is great.
Secondly, you dont need more than one. Youll be fine. You were probably thinking more of wastegates, where two would be better than one in all aspects but cost.
Third, Tial vs HKS would be a very opinion based discussion, personally my car has an SSQV now, but I am going Tial Q once I get my intercooler.
I love Tial quality, value, and sound. I do not like the SSQV much or any other BOV aside from the Tial because of sound, performance wise I do not think there is much of a difference if any, maybe one has a faster response. Again its kind of like the PTE vs BW turbo discussion, no one is ever really "right".
Go with what YOU like.
 
#41 ·
Agree with Biologist, the best location in my opinion is nearest to the TB, I have mine there as well and it is great. Secondly, you dont need more than one. Youll be fine. You were probably thinking more of wastegates, where two would be better than one in all aspects but cost. Third, Tial vs HKS would be a very opinion based discussion, personally my car has an SSQV now, but I am going Tial Q once I get my intercooler. I love Tial quality, value, and sound. I do not like the SSQV much or any other BOV aside from the Tial because of sound, performance wise I do not think there is much of a difference if any, maybe one has a faster response. Again its kind of like the PTE vs BW turbo discussion, no one is ever really "right". Go with what YOU like.
Double BOV sounds like crap. Stick with single
 
#15 ·
I believe the latest model of the SSQV (4th gen) is made to withstand more boost then earlier models due to having 2 valves in the unit now. I could be wrong but after doin research that's what Iv come up with. I plan on adding one on my setup along with my HKS Type 2 racing bov located under the driverside headlight/brake duct area. Im going to put the new bov on the opposite side so you can see both of the bov's in both brake ducts.
 
#10 ·
On a bigger turbo setup I've always preferred having two BOV's in play - one on the hot side piping somewhere, and another on the cold side piping.

If you're only running one BOV, it's really a matter of preference. Some OEM setups put the bypass valves on the hotside, others do it on the cold side. Using a good BOV w/a good vacuum reference is more important than the location itself.
 
#11 ·
What is the explanation for mounting on the hotside or intake side? My assumption was to allow air out without it going back to the turbo and if the bov is near the turbo you would have more pressure relieved by the turbo.

On the other hand i can see that the bov is only going to lower pressure at closed throttle rather than to eliminate it altogether, therefore no matter where the bov is the job of lowering pressure will be done.
 
#16 · (Edited)
I dunno, I made 635rwhp in a 100+degree shop, and at night and in colder weather I think I made more. No problems to report with the HKS. I could probably benefited with a different valve, and have a Sard Racing valve I would switch it out with. I didn't notice much of a difference, and I'm just on the street. Maybe if races matter more and you have a larger turbo or something, but whatever.

You basically want the pressure near the turbo to be eliminated as much as possible between shifts. If the BOV is near the TB, the turbo is still trying to push air through the intercooler (restriction), and it's cool air anyway.

It's not going to make or break anybody's dreams unless it's a fine margin.
 
#17 ·
I dunno, I made 635rwhp in a 100+degree shop, and at night and in colder weather I think I made more. No problems to report with the HKS. I could probably benefited with a different valve, and have a Sard Racing valve I would switch it out with. I didn't notice much of a difference, and I'm just on the street. Maybe if races matter more and you have a larger turbo or something, but whatever.

You basically want the pressure near the turbo to be eliminated as much as possible between shifts. If the BOV is near the TB, the turbo is still trying to push air through the intercooler, and it's cool air anyway.
Same here. I've used all HKS bov's from the original to SSQV 4 & also the racing bov. I've had nothing but positive experiences.
 
#24 ·
I don't think it really matters THAT much, but I'd say it makes more sense to put it near the TB, since the closing of the throttle body results in a backward "wave" of pressure. I think you could argue that either way is best, so my plan is to run two, especially since I'll be running upwards of 35-40 psi.
 
#25 · (Edited)
basically, when you let off the throttle, the throttle plate closes and air coming out of the turbo travels through the intercooler piping as normal but then bounces off the throttle plate and gets sent back towards the turbo. location of BOV should theoretically be a secondary consideration after "will all the backfilling air escape through the BOV before it reaches the turbo?" after which you will be noting compressor surge if it does not.

when you are boosting, the BOV is being forced closed; when you let off the throttle, the valve is allowed to open up and by the law of pressure gradient, air will travel to an area of higher pressure to lower pressure (ie: outside the intercooler piping through the BOV).

if your BOV is a pile of landfill runoff, it will not be up to the task and you will experience some compressor surge or otherwise alternate scenarios involving the BOV itself.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Two Blitz Dual-Drive BOVs, with stiffest springs, as close to VeilSide 100 mm throttle body (1100 whp motor) as reasonably possible:

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#29 ·
On my car I have the TIAL BOV and it is mounted fairly close to the TB...and to me this makes the most sense as once you let off the gas pedal the TB closes and that is the first place that air stops moving forward and has to move backwards....So in theory you want it to be able to release at the closest point so having the BOV as close to it as you can allows that air to escape very quickly...However my buddy has the same BOV mounted on his hot side pipe right before his intercooler and it works just fine as well. I have a 76mm turbo on my car and he has an 88mm on his... As far as brand I am TIAL all the way man..best quality and sound you can ask for.
 
#30 ·
I've always loved my Turbonetics Raptor BOV, which will be replacing my SSQ soon hopefully I ran it on my Mustang for a while.
I would switch over to a piston style (pretty much anything other than the HKS SSQ style) since they vent more air if you are worried. I doubt you would need 2, but it’s all up to the person. If it lets ya sleep at night then add another one. Not going to hurt at least.
If you really want to vent some air you can always get a Mad Dog 104.
http://racepartsolutions.com/index.php/categories1/561-375-6277/blow-off-valves/mad-dog-104mm-blow-off-valve-md-104-pn-528104-jod-race-part-solutions
 
#33 ·
Engineers @ Borg Warner knew what they were doing when they put a BOV on the turbo... So did Toyota near their turbos, etc...

We're splitting hairs in this thread, lol.
 
#34 · (Edited)
You're neglecting the fact that both of those "technologies" are using recirculated BOVs. Toyota does it because they use a MAF system, which needs recirculation. Borg Warner does it to make consolidate all components of a turbo system into a single unit (namely turbo, BOV, and waste gate).

I'd say you could argue either way. You could argue that placing the BOV near the turbo would allow you to keep more boost built between gears for drag racing, and placing it closer to the TB would place less stress on the turbo if you don't care about boost between gears.