No one cares about a breakdown of the BMW engine. No one cares how it stacks up to the 2JZGTE. No one cares about the price. No one cares about it's performance. The MKV is a BMW 4 with an automatic transmission. There's nothing to discuss. Every defender of the car is claiming the ones that don't like it are poor kids or fanboys and they need to "get over it". There's nothing to get over because no one really cares. I know I don't. I'm just laughing at all of the comparison talk or "stacking up" talk. It's beside the point. Seriously, it's like going on a Mustang forum and trying to justify why their new mustang was just built by volkswagen and that it's a rebadged vw golf. No one would care because it's not a Ford. It really is that simple.

 

This just killed me.

 

FWIW, I watched that video above when I saw it on my youtube feed. I didn't care about the MKV. I just happen to be a fan of Engineering Explained. He could talk about the science behind paint drying and I would watch it.

 

So much hate for this thing. I am curious to see how this plays out. I know very little about the B58, but I would be interested in this car at 600 reliable HP. Is that such a thing with the B58? We will see.

There are already a few guys that are very intelligent and very capable of serious modifications working on this so let's give it a chance.

 

I don't get the whole 700hp thing. Sure its great that your car can handle 1000hp, but who cares. What's fun to me is going around turns and accelerating out of the apex. For that 300-400 hp is fine. If you are into drag racing and highway pulls then i understand the need for gobs of power. I'm still convinced our mkiv's were an anomaly and have made any future Supra doomed regardless lol

 

Good points. Unlike the MKIV Supra, the MKV is fast-enough, stock.

 

It's not whether or not the ENGINE can handle more power. We all KNOW BMW makes good engines. It's the plastic shit ATTACHED to said engines that fail, plastic couplers , and water hoses . Shitty metal for water pumps, VANOS failures..etc.
It wont be a RELIABLE 600+whp.

And with a shortened wheelbase and TALLER height? Not gonna be a good ride !!!

 

When I saw the thread title I thought - just wait a few years and the engine will break down without us doing anything................

 

In all honesty I don't think the engine is that bad (That it would break on you while doing nothing to it) and a statement like that is heavily ignorant. Let's put it this way the motor has won 3 awards and it's in multiple platforms from the 2-series m Edition, 340i, and the x5. That is a pretty wide variety and the motor is nearly 3 years old at this point and Toyota didn't tune it heavily. So if you literally do nothing to the motor I don't think the engine is going to break like you claim it does (In fact I'd be willing to wager money on that) .

Let me talk so real world now as a buyer. I was heavily considering the LC500 now because of this BMW-Toyota Z4 however the LC500 has massive complaints (Go to the Lexus Forums https://www.clublexus.com/forums/lc-model-2018/903249-too-flawed-to-live-with.html ) And the major complaint overall is how shitty the infotainment system is and how power seems to be lacking at that price point. So the fact that Toyota went to BMW for the interior I'm actually okay with now even with the shitty beeping sounds and warnings. Toyota/Lexus tends to make heavy cars unless they use massive carbon fiber which wrecks the pricepoint and their engines don't seem to make up for their weight.

I would have preferred a Yamaha Motor, but then the Supra would have been a Naturally Aspirated more then likely. I want a Turbo on my next car. So anyways I've decided that I'm going to buy a used 2014 Porsche Turbo S, but if I didn't pick up a Porsche Turbo S I might have picked up this Supra (Maybe). Anyways it seemed like 50/50 the dudes selling the LCs ended up picking up a Porsche or a Corvette.

 

I just want to see the how the thing will perform on a dyno with BPU, then APU and so on...until then i will hold my back on my reservations.

 

IF you read the comments on this thread

, there is actually alot of support for this motor which I suspected and didn't surprise me. At the end of the day this motor is pretty decent puts out decent to good power and get's a good mark on fuel efficiency. These are 2 check boxes that Toyota really wanted. So the only question remains is how durable is the motor and how much boost can it handle?

Here:

The B58 is a brilliant Engine to modify
Here in Germany the Tuners love them
Only with a Tune (not Hardware change at all) the Car will have around 400-420HP.
With a Downpipe of course more.
And now think of the Development from all the Hybrid Turbo Companys.
600hp and more only with a few good on parts is very EASY

I say for around 4000$ you can double the Power on the B58
How much you have to spend to double the Power on the 2jz?
New Turbo, new Header,new Exhaust and Downpipe, new Intercooler , new injectors ,new Gas Pump, new ECU and many more things.
With around 4k$ this is not possible to build a 600HP 2JZ with good parts (No Chinese junk parts that Brake more then they Work)

Dont get me wrong i Love the 2J (because a old BMW M GmbH Ingenieur was involved in the Design of the 2J short block) , but the B58 is way better to make double the stock Power.
And who needs more than 600HP for a daily Driver?

Greetings from Germany ����

I have a 2017 BMW M240i which has the B58 motor in it. It's a great motor, and I have a lot of fun (maybe too much fun) with my car. The car is still under warranty; so I don't want to make any mods to it.......yet. However, for everyday driving; you don't need to. The car has plenty of get up and go. It's quick and nimble and has a great sound. ALSO, something you didn't talk about is gas mileage. I believe the "real" Supra got something like 21 mpg. I took a road trip up the west coast with the car and was getting 35mpg. You get all that performance with great gas mileage (provided you aren't "racing" around town, then no engine can help you there). So, what people will be seeing is a car (Z4 and Supra) they can have a lot of fun driving everyday, gets good gas mileage, and has plenty of performance when you need it (aka - passing retarded drivers). AND has a little more power at its disposal to be able to do things like autocross and HPD. Personally, can't wait for Grand Tour (or some one else) do a side by side comparison. Probably won't see much of a difference, but will be cool to see. Also, will be interesting to see what modifications start to pop up for this engine.

Not to drive anyone away from this channel, but "Engineering Explained" goes into some good details about how the motor works (and compares it a bit to the N55). Definitely worth checking out.

 

I've seen some B58 Stage 3 tunes, which claim about 500 WHP on race gas. I would imagine the engine is running very lean so they have had to compensate with 100 octane. 20psi is highest boost claimed. https://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=535388#post535388

 

Back from the dead here, not sure how many OG's are still around, but I have been keeping an eye on the new Supra and thought I would put my two cents in here. Grab a beer cause this is not going to be a short post.

For a very long time, I really wanted to love first the N54, N55, and B58 engines. Keep in mind, this post is coming from a guy who has owned two M3's.




Let's start with a few salient things posted about the B58 on the Bimmer forums:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1340302&page=2#post21119255

Originally Posted by insanecoder View Post
I love the B58 but I dont think its a WHOLE lot better as it stands in the 340 than the N55 which is itself a venerable engine.. B58 has been mostly trouble-free thus far & got alil extra punch and I barely notice any turbo lag at all
Your article says everything that needs to be said.. ie B58 closed deck w/ more room upside for BMW to reuse for higher power variants


a response->The forums are filled with B58 engine issues, including engine recalls. The issues never end, from coolant (water cooling), turbos. Interesting, had they ever considered that coolant does not do well at -10C and below? Either case, , in one year the forums filled more engine problems entries than N55 may yet to do in 10 years...

Originally Posted by harkes View Post
I read/hear so much about how the B58 is SO MUCH better than the N55. Apparently it has longer stroke while still reving as freely as the N55, but what are the other advantages? Please be objective here - or at least try


a response->Forums are filled with B58 engine problems, more so than N55 could ever achieve if we multiplied its entries over 7 years x5. Turbos, water coolants, engine recalls etc. Which answers your question: have yet to meet an N55 user whom, with extensive mods, had any issues (nor myself) vs have yet to meet a B58 M Perf owner without stock issues. Winner? N55 hands down.

Wow, it sounds like N55 is the way to go then:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1430379&page=3

I will chime in here. 13yr BMW master tech and indy BMW shop owner. Here's my past 6 months experiences with N55 engines.
Started a small car lot, bought a 2012 X5 N55 with "engine noise" at 82k. Assumed belt tensioner or something. Nope. Spun rod bearing cyl #2. Replaced engine with used motor ($4400 used engine) and installed all new rod bearings and bolts to be safe with updated S55 numbered bearings- car happy and sold.

Then 1 month later, a new customer brings in 2011 335i N55 E90 with 98k on clock, just bought at some random used car lot- has knock. Spun bearing. Dealer wont help him (less than 24 hours of his ownership).
Customer brings in 2011 X5 3.5i for PPI. Road tested, full load at 4500rpm I hear a knock. Rev up in neutral back at the shop, 2k rpm- rod knock. Pull out oil filter, full of metal shavings. Tell customer not to buy it. He brings me another X5 N55 today, pulled filter to see that one and it was full of shavings too but no noise (92k dealer maintained at 8-10k intervals).
Last week another shop towed in a 2011 X5 with N55 not running. They replaced a bunch of parts to no avail. Finally figured out DME had failed and wouldn't fire the injectors or coils. $2500 later it runs again and customer wants to dump it and run.

I Bought another N55 X5 with cyl #6 misfire and air plausibility codes. Removed valve cover after extensive time and testing to check valvetronics. Camshafts are rusted and lobes are worn to point of not opening valves at idle- replaced both camshafts, and then shortly after the valvetronics motor failed. back apart again....

In my recent experience, The N55 is a fragile and dangerous engine to own past 80k. I owned a 2012 X5 from 19k miles to 95k miles and it had its share of issues (57k OFHG failed, 59k valvetronics motor failed, 84k PCV/valve cover failed). I have a 2015 435i currently and it scares me to think of owning it long term... I know I only seen broken cars as thats what I fix for a living so maybe there are bunch of N55 success stories out there, but lately they seem to be failing left and right, maybe someone can encourage me that its only a temporary wave but my local dealers refer to the N55 as "Total Junk" and they see tons of rod bearing failures there and wont help most customers!

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1256319

That metallic noise you are hearing is from your crank. I had the same issue on my N54 and had bearing failure around 85,000 miles and I do track my car heavily. Dackelone can attest to that. I was told that by my mechanic here in Germany when he checked it out. He also stated to me that N54 and N55 bearings will last around that mileage before they start wearing down and failing. My engine is getting rebuilt right now with a new crank and bearings. Everything else checked out fine.

I would stay away from a used engine because you don't know how the previous owner treated it. If you can afford it, I would just get it rebuilt. That way, you know that you have a sort of 0 mileage engine under the hood again. Food for thought.

My damage to my wallet here in Germany is close to 8K euros ($9100). Compared to a new engine here in Germany that run for almost 15K euros and that is just the head and block.

https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1256319&page=2

Looking at other forums, there are a lot of people having issues with rods and bearings...from stock to modified engines. My gut feeling is that there will be a class action down the road, there has to be!

And I'm not even going to get started with the N54; it is well known the N55 that replaced the N54 is a less complicated engine that experiences less problems, despite the fact that the changes were for cost-saving measures. But how about the S65?

http://www.bebearings.com/Overview.html

Historical Background of S65 Bearing Issue

It was very easy to ignore the very first blown motors because most seemed to originate from highly modified cars. Very early there was one blown NA motor from a guy in Thailand who was "custom tuned" by a local tuner. His motor blew and it cost a lot of money to replace it. Tuning by a local, unknown tuner was another reason to ignore this blown motor.

But about the same time, the first few blown motors showed up on bone stock M3's as well. These cars were totally stock with very low mileage. As time went on, more and more blown motors showed up, again NA motors with low miles. It seemed if you made it past 25,000 miles, then your motor would likely survive the warranty period.

Various theories were discussed to explain this phenomena. The theories ranged from inferior oil pump design to bearing clearance issues. But nobody had any data to support one argument over the other.

Discovering S65 Bearing Issue...

Hell, let's go all the way back to the S54:

https://www.langracing.com/finding-a-real-solution-to-the-bmw-s54-rod-bearing-failure/

When we first began looking at the S54 knowing its history of rod bearing failure we immediately noticed how small the rod bearings were compared to other engines we’d built. To be more specific, the width of them is relatively narrow compared to other engines that are designed to make that much power. When you look at the rest of the engine you see similar ideas in other areas. BMW made every attempt to eliminate friction surfaces in this engine to increase efficiency and power. This is, of course, is every automotive engineer’s goal. The expense of doing this of course can mean that engine reliability can suffer. Every engine will have a weak point at which it will fail first, or at least most commonly. For the S54 this is the rod bearing. For another engine it might be the rod or the cylinder wall, or something else. Whether its a design failure or intentional, the S54 has a very well documented history of consuming rod bearings at a rate faster than desired...

Combine all this with the spray-in cylinder liners the new Supra engine is using instead of sleeves, which is exactly what many suspect is what is plaguing the 2018+ 5.0 coyote engines in the new Mustangs with the "BBQ Tick" a.k.a. piston slap that is causing Ford to replace engines... seriously, go a head and google "Mustang BBQ tick".

Now, let's take a trip down memory lane and remember what exactly made the MKIV Supra a Supra.

https://jalopnik.com/heres-why-the-toyota-supras-2jz-is-such-a-legendary-eng-1794949464

From the factory, the 2JZ-GTE is already a pretty special engine. It’s got dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, a distributor-less ignition system, liquid-cooled sequential turbos keeping the power band nice and broad, and a “square” (one to one) bore-to-stroke ratio that provided a great compromise between low-end grunt and high-end power. Start tuning it, though, and the engine goes from “special” to downright supernatural.

The reason why the 2JZ-GTE is so prolific in the tuning scene is because of its strength. Its iron block is tough as nails, its seven main bearings—despite only being held by two bolts each—are absolutely gargantuan and hold the crankshaft firmly, its forged 12-counterweight steel crankshaft can handle huge power and high engine speeds, the oil pump and water pump can take the heavy mods without failure, the fully-closed deck means the engine can withstand enormous cylinder pressures, forged connecting rods are stout, and the oil-cooled cast aluminum pistons can handle a beating as well.

This all means you shouldn’t worry about doubling the 2JZ-GTE’s horsepower via mods. In fact, most tuners consider the 2JZ-GTE’s bottom end as capable of withstanding up to 800 ponies. Yes, 800 horsepower on stock internals. And many tuners have cranked theirs into the four-figure range with some more work.

(cont.)

 

Back from the dead here, not sure how many OG's are still around, but I have been keeping an eye on the new Supra and thought I would put my two cents in here. Grab a beer cause this is not going to be a short post.

For a very long time, I really wanted to love first the N54, N55, and B58 engines. Keep in mind, this post is coming from a guy who has owned two M3's.




Let's start with a few salient things posted about the B58 on the Bimmer forums:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1340302&page=2#post21119255








Wow, it sounds like N55 is the way to go then:

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1430379&page=3


https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1256319


https://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1256319&page=2






And I'm not even going to get started with the N54; it is well known the N55 that replaced the N54 is a less complicated engine that experiences less problems, despite the fact that the changes were for cost-saving measures. But how about the S65?

http://www.bebearings.com/Overview.html





Hell, let's go all the way back to the S54:

https://www.langracing.com/finding-a-real-solution-to-the-bmw-s54-rod-bearing-failure/





Combine all this with the spray-in cylinder liners the new Supra engine is using instead of sleeves, which is exactly what many suspect is what is plaguing the 2018+ 5.0 coyote engines in the new Mustangs with the "BBQ Tick" a.k.a. piston slap that is causing Ford to replace engines... seriously, go a head and google "Mustang BBQ tick".

Now, let's take a trip down memory lane and remember what exactly made the MKIV Supra a Supra.

https://jalopnik.com/heres-why-the-toyota-supras-2jz-is-such-a-legendary-eng-1794949464


(cont.)

Very well said! I was excited when i heard there would be a new Supra, but the more I look at this thing, the more upset and angrier I get. I have friends with BMW's and they tell me what a pain in the ass their motors are unless thousands of dollars are spent to maintain them and that doesn't always work. I really wanted something from Toyota to wow us, but this has under-delivered on so many levels. Toyota fails us yet again!

 

(cont.)

All this, from something built in 1993........

To sum up my feelings based on a lot of reading about how BMW builds engines and owning a couple M3's myself: BMW are fucking MASTERS at marketing their brand to the public. But their design philosophy could not be any more different than that of the Japanese, particularly Toyota, and particularly the philosophy behind the MkIV Supra. BMW builds fun short-lived disposable engines that are built for cars that are meant to be leased. There is zero profit incentive for them to overbuild engines like the Japanese do, especially what Toyota did for the Supra. They don't need to, there are millions of people who have already drunk of the koolaid and have been tricked into thinking they make really great engines.

I personally like having my cake and eating it to when it comes to engine performance, engine longevity beyond a lease period, and not dealing with frequent and expensive parts breaking once my car is out of warranty (as I suspect many enthusiasts on this board do as well). Which is also why, besides many Japanese performance engines, I also am a big fan of the GM LS series of engines.

If Toyota would have simply thrown an old 2JZ into an updated, lighter weight, stiffer chassis, it would have been more of a Supra than a car with a BMW engine. Hell, throw a hybrid engine on top of it for good measure like they did with the NSX if you want. But by going BMW for the powertrain, Toyota does not even seem to have the most basic understanding about what made the MKIV Supra legendary in the first place. They had an opportunity to recreate a legend, and they blew it.

 

My short experience with a relative's 440i(b58) has been topping off it's coolant reservoir for the turbo for some reason. The turbo and intercooler/intake manifold is water cooled and BMW uses a ton of plastic in their cooling system. The b58 seems to be a great motor, but with all that plastic BMW uses in cooling there are going to be a ton of failure points (don't forget VANOS). They've only been in current models for 3-4 years. Modifying and increasing heat is just going to make it fail quicker. Very curious to see if Toyota did anything to address these future issues because BMW is pretty notorious for these major reliability issues.

 

To me, Toyota using the B58 was no more than one of their many cost saving methods to make the MKV good enough to sell, that's it.

In fact that might be all they need to who they're ultimately targeting and to sustain sales till justifying something better becomes reality, if it ever does... god I hope, but then we have other fundamental issues with the MKV that have no solution but the scrap the entire vehicle Lol.

 

What are the other fundamental issues?

 

I actually believe the B58 is used only to keep cost down. Had they gone to the drawing board or sourced an engine to be built through Yamaha etc. the price of the car would have been in the 70-80 range probably. While many people on these forums would agree to pay the 70-80 range number I believe Toyota really wanted to keep their price point to 50 and sourcing a powerplant like that is huge first step to keeping to that price point. (We could go all day as to why 50 is or isn't a good price point and the Supra Namesake, but whats done is done)

More than likely because of the dismissal of the Celica we got something in-between a Celica and a Supra but Toyota decided to label it a Supra. Toyota in 2019 is simply not Toyota of 1994. The lineup of vehicles is totally different along with what the brand/company is trying to achieve.

 

A relative's 440i seems to have the mysterious coolant loss issue in it's b58. I was perplexed as to why it had two overflow tanks and why it was running low with such low miles. Good ole BMW cooling shenanigans. Engine, intercooler/intake manifold, and turbo all watercooled.... Hopefully Toytoa did more than just detune it.

 

First I'll start by giving out some warning about being respectful to community members even if you disagree with them.

Now on to the B58, Overall much more advanced than the 2jz! However, you have to remember Toyota's vision for 1990 when the first aristos rolled off with the 2jz. This engine was going to be used in the Lexus luxury line to compete with BMW and Merc direcetly.

Fast forward to 2019, and that engine to compete is a V6 TT / V8 so to keep true to the I6 this was the only option becuase there was no way in hell they were going to create one engine for one chassis.

B58 will probably be a wonderful engine for the first 5 years of ownership and first 2-3 owners. After that period and warranty is finished who cares about resale? Surely not BMW because they really don't make much money on the sales of parts vs selling a while new car package. So while yes I'm sure the B58 will probably be a good engine to make some power, it will mostlikely become what todays socity has become use and throw away. (Apple is master of this)

BMW isn't the only one using plastics, on my Lexus IS-F I had to replace the coolant valley FIPG due to leaks, and every plastic component including 2 injectors broke on removal due to age. Car was about 5 years old with 80k miles. So just as BMW is guility so it Toyota/Lexus and every manufacture.

Now don't mistake my defending the B58 as love for this car. I could very well see my self in a MK5 if it had a manual, but I certainly don't think it would be any good after 5 years unless aftermarket replaces most of this plastic with FMIC, hard pipes, etc.

 

BMW isn't the only one using plastics, on my Lexus IS-F I had to replace the coolant valley FIPG due to leaks, and every plastic component including 2 injectors broke on removal due to age. Car was about 5 years old with 80k miles. So just as BMW is guility so it Toyota/Lexus and every manufacture.

Ok, stop. Dont even go that way. Dont even try to put Lexus quality and BMW in a same sentence.“My Lexus had some issues so its no better then BMW” is a stupid statement. Your Lexus having bunch of issues is exception, BMW issues are well know thing.

I did not have IS-F, but had IS250 and 2 LS460s , put about 150k miles between them, and i drive HARD. The ONLY thing i had to change was oil, brakes and tires. THATS IT. And im sure almost all Lexus owners on here will confirm very minimal maintenance, while majority of BMW owners will claim nothing but the headaches.

90% of Lexus owners would never switch to other brand. 50% of BMW owners look elsewhere.

 

^^^^ You're obviously a Skyline GT-R fan what brought you to Supraforums?

Serious question that I asked before and never got an answer.

 

I don't even think he has a Skyline, just two Lexus but I mean that's fine you don't have to own a particular car to be part of a particular forum.

PS: Images of my Supra are going up today she's going to look good, real good Probably in 5 hours. I'm going to head over there in 2 I'm kinda excited...

 

Reading all the vitriol about this car, one must assume that Toyota has not targeted the Mark IV owners for this car. I have not read a single sentence about a IV owner ever having been approached by Toyota for their opinion. Toyota has never mentioned you guys as a focus group. To sum it up, sorry guys, but Toyota doesn't care what you think. It sucks, because your cars share a badge and the car is now legendary because of the flame you kept lit. You can get on board and enjoy the new interpretation of a sports car, or you can sulk. Welcome to 2020.

 

.......You can get on board and enjoy the new interpretation of a sports car, or you can sulk. Welcome to 2020.

Your opinion - this is NOT anywhere close to what an interpretation of a Supra should be. I am not sulking - quite the contrary, the MKIV is now elevated again.
IMHO, the 2020 BRZ4 will be fairly cheap after the warranty runs out - not that I care. My car will require less maintenance and repair than this "interpretation" over the next 5 years and will be worth twice what this thing is worth at that time.

 

It's gonna burn (maintenance wise).

 

Re-lining bike engines with Nikasil has been done for years. Honing and replacing the plasma coating is still in its infancy, but Ford is already doing it.

 

Well when it busts just replace it with a 2JZ and you're good :biggrin:

 

I agree, that power number is pretty lame. I did read that the car in stock form is topping out at 7 psi though. So a lot of room for BPU improvement. I just hope that they do release a, umm...I don't know what to call it, GR-D?, Gazoo Racing Development version/dealer upgrades that get the car to at least 450 under warranty. 335 is weak. God damn GT350 is rocking 530hp for the same damn price. It may be a better feeling chassis after all is said and done, but imagine buying a dealer option for the Supra that'll more than likely drive the price into the $60k+ range, and still getting annihilated by a base Mustang GT. :faint: The Z4 owners won't care, but the new Supra buyers most likely will.

 

Can you guys please leave that crap in the MKV section? Seems more suitable over there, plus it's just flat out getting old guys.

-Rich

Quoting the first part of Rich's post from the MKIV Section above for emphasis. Specifically, I am asking member darkloki to settle down, cease playing tit for tat and to learn to appreciate the concept of "added value"; that is to say do what you can to ensure your posts, to the best of your ability, add value to the discussion in which you are participating. So your thoughts on popular vehicles in the City of Irvine, various Teslas, the LC 500 and other vehicles in connection with the MKV are not particularly relevant. Try participating in a thread without posting. You might find it educational.

For those of you engaging in nonsensical back and forth with darkloki, I would ask you to cease and desist. Certainly, there is room for disagreement on topics that are near and dear to us. But, when the disagreements devolve into needless name calling, straying off topic and personal insults, it devalues the thread and you are likely to hear from moderators like me. Keep it cool, guys, and on point. I realize the MKV, for better or worst, has inflamed feelings here and that it's bled over into other sections. This is why I elected to post Kidney's post in this section and respond accordingly.

Thank you for your cooperation.


Ken.

 

I got you load and clear and I'll stay off the boards for a while etc. But in hindsight even ZaZZn got into some heated conversations with same people in this actual thread. In general this section is about the MKV and there are multiple people who are in this section who really have no business being in this section ie "added value" with that being said I'll try to provide just that going forward.

 

Ken, give us your insight sir. You personally asked them to produce this, what are your thoughts?

 

Profound disappointment.


Ken.

 

Just out of curiosity, has ANYONE from the FT-1 Calty Design team been interviewed or made any public comment regarding the 2020 Supra? That would be interesting.

 

There is bit and pieces floating around and Kevin did mention before that the FT-1's size was a "little exaggerated for show purposes" and the production model would be scaled down. I'm curious to hear what Alex Shen thought of the 2020 Supra since he was very excited to talk about the FT-1. The problem is that Toyota and probably Kevin Hunter knew which BMW it was going to platform share and that's the Z4. So Toyota had to work off the Z4 chassis.

Toyota has not said what engine will power the FT-1, other than to say it has “an internal combustion engine”. Toyota also would not say if it shares its underpinnings with the popular Toyota 86 sports-car (a joint venture with Subaru) or the future sports-cat it plans to build in conjunction with BMW. “It’s a concept for now,” said Mr Hunter, declining to reveal the concept car’s dimensions. “They’re a little exaggerated for show purposes.”



"It's 'function sculpting,' " explains Kevin Hunter of Calty, the Toyota design studio in California that developed the FT-1 concept. "Carving out surface where you didn't need something lets [us] not only reduce mass but visually reduce the mass. If you look at all the ins and outs on this car's front end, we tried to be efficient about where we were putting surface. It's not only beautiful, but it looks efficient as well." Okay, so at least the concept's designer thinks it looks good.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a24443721/2020-toyota-supra-photos-info/