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S366 vs 6765DBB dyno comparison

30K views 380 replies 55 participants last post by  Blakbird  
#1 · (Edited)
I thought this was interesting so wanted to post it up. Might be helpful to some people. Here is a dyno comparison of the 6765, and off the self S366. This is two different cars, but nearly identical set ups with the exception of the turbo. Both cars tuned by the same tuner, done on the same dyno. Both turbos were at 20 psi.

The numbers appear low, because this on a dyno dynamic dyno.

First car:
Stock block/head
1000cc injectors
tublar manifold
4" DP/exhaust
AEM V2
6765 DBB

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Second car (mine)
First car:
Stock block/head
800cc injectors
tublar manifold
4" DP/exhaust
Haltech sport 2000
S366 BW turbo

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As you can see, the BW S366 is a tad bit lazier than the 6765 but ends up making about the same power.

owner of the 6765 car just did GSC S1's, BC valve train and made 515whp. I'm going to be doing the same exact cams and valve train with an addition of a light weight billet 11 blade wheel to my turbo next week.

I think its going to be an interesting comparison after my new wheel and same mods to see if I end catching up or beating the 6765 in spool.


I'll hopefully be comparing that in about two weeks.
 
#3 ·
My s366 is an undivided .91. Ill have to ask my buddy what his AR Is.. To be honest with you I'm not sure what 91-79 is. I think* 91 is the AR but not sure what the 79 is. All I know is it what on the card that that came with it Lol.
 
#5 · (Edited)
=Lagtime;903459291 is the exducer size in mm of the compressor, 79 is the inducer size of the turbine in mm.

Also, if you have BW box unit (not a BEP), the .91 AR is divided, the .88 is open.
Your right, my mistake it is a .88.
 
#9 ·
The 482whp would be around 545whp on a dynojet.

The 515whp would be around 582whp on a dynojet.

See my dyno comparision calculator at : http://mkiv.supras.org.nz/dyno.htm
 
#11 ·
Nice calculator.
I do disagree with using this though because we dont know what weight they might have put into the dyno or what other things might have been adjusted to get the reading. Just by using a different weight you can get different results. If it was shootout mode then I believe its a better reading which is not tampered with.

Jose946speed thanks for the clarification on the wheels. I thought the 79 was a different one from the 80. Good to know its the same.
 
#14 ·
Interesting. :) My calculator says 466whp is around 527whp on a dynojet, so is perhaps estimating a bit on the low side for your dyno dynamics mode as my calculator is based on shoot 6 mode.

We use the dyno dynamics a lot here in NZ. In a month or so I'll dyno my car on both dynos (once I finish some planned changes) and post a comparison on this forum.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Where are there DD here, 360rwkw? Admittedly I live in Welly so might be missing out on some places up in Auckland but I'm only aware of maybe one or two - seems predominately Dynapack and DynoTorque (which seem to read more or less like Dynojet from what I've seen). I've been curious about putting a car on a DD at some point.

Really interesting comparison - the other interesting thing is I've seen an EFR9180 versus S300SX 91-79 and the EFR deals to it in spool and power, can't wait until someone winds the boost up on an EFR9180 on good fuel - good chance it could become an ultimate weapon for 800+whp setups.
 
#16 · (Edited)
There are 4 Dyno Dynamics dynos in Auckland, 2 in Christchurch, 1 in New Plymouth that I know of, but probably not many elsewhere as you mention. Much more common in Aussie of course.

I've used Gavin's Dyno Dynamics at Hi-Velocity for many years but have recently switched to using the DynoTorque at Torque Perfromance. The DynoTorque read extremely close to the Dyno Dynamics dyno from both myself and other friends dyno sheet comparisons between the two dyno types.
 
#18 ·
i dunno thats a good bit lazier 3-400rpms. not to mention its not the 67/66 either. But im sure your b/w will last 100k miles compared to the 10k of the pte. Id prefer to see it overlaid with the same rpm scaling. and high boost/race fuel see which really shines over the other. Either way thanks for sharing, and let us know how much it improves with the new wheel.
 
#21 ·
Thanks for the overlay. The only thing I can think of is maybe its the way the boost controller is set up.
 
#24 ·
Ok, here is a bit of an update on the red car with the 6765.

Here is the car at the same boost level + GSC S1 and valve train. For some reason it saw less torque?

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Here is the car at 27 PSI on E85:


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#25 ·
less torque with cams is usually normal, with cams you are typically shifting where the power goes. shift up and lose torque gain hps. losing torque isnt necessarily a bad thing either, as it can help with traction. keep in mind the way the dyno takes measurements 5250 tq and hp always meet.
 
#32 ·
Who's doing your wheel install on the turbo? Was the price 270$ for the billet wheel sending in your old turbo? Or is there labor ontop of that?
 
#33 · (Edited)
The boost lab does it. Being that the billet wheel is off there new line of turbos. I expect to see good reaults n spool too. I'm debating on sending mine out now or waiting till spring after I get my car on a dyno to do another before an after. It will obviously be the second one for the community but good to know for my personal car for me.
 
#34 ·
Link???

Also my first question remains, is 270$ the price for the billet wheel installed, or is that just the wheel itself, what's turnaround time look like?
 
#39 ·
For anyone that is interested, here is before and after with the GSC S1 cams for the red car.

Blue is stock cams

Red is GSC S1

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#45 · (Edited)
Same here, and I want to say this again, so I don't cause drama, maybe he did? All I know is these wheel do appear to be identical in every way.