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Top Speed In My 1000rwhp ++ Supra??

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#1 · (Edited)
I see a lot of fas Supra doing under 8' and 9' seconds 1/4 times but did not see any Supra with 1 mile times with traps speeds and top speed on the Supra car.

Since I seen that Veyron does 253mph, Mclaren F1 240mph, the Callaway Sledgehammer did 255mph records 17 years ago. :)
All those car mentioned has less horsepower than the highly modified Supra.

So just curious, what top speed would I expect in my Supra with F-Con 5 Pro, 3.4 liter stroker and GT47-80 turbo?? I know that I'll be under 9's 1/4 mile probably. But what about the 1 mile acceleration and the trap speed?

In the Road and Track magazine last year they tested the Viper twin turbo from 0 to 1 mile in 25.6 seconds @ 210mph and the Saleen twin turbo in 25.9 seconds @ 206mph. They both has less power than a many Supras!!!

Thanks for share your opinions!! :sadance:
 
#2 ·
At such high Speed's, aerodynamics and drag make a huge difference on our cars.

I believe TOmmy K has done 200+ in the Texas Mile, but I do not know how much power he was pushing.

I'd say you would definitely be up there. Go ahead and try, you aret THAT far from Texas :).
 
#7 ·
KumiJr said:
At such high Speed's, aerodynamics and drag make a huge difference on our cars.

I believe TOmmy K has done 200+ in the Texas Mile, but I do not know how much power he was pushing.

I'd say you would definitely be up there. Go ahead and try, you aret THAT far from Texas :).
KumiJr... My car is in Justin Neni's shop right now for tunning. I'm in outside of U.S. now, but will try to get the car to a high speed track before bring it back to Panama.
 
#8 ·
KumiJr said:
Also, brad D has done supposely 228 on his car and he ran out of power. But that is over a mile and he was at 7200 RPM's in 6th gear. Not sure on the diameter of his tire though. Regardless, fucking fast.

So you guys mean that Supra's tops speed is basically limited by gearing more than for power right?
 
#9 · (Edited)
Somewhat gearing. I mean, if you increase the rev limit, to lets say 9k, then the top speed will be even higher. Just do the calculations and figure it out.

Lets say, rear tires are 285/35/R18. So, total diameter is 25.85". The final drive ratio is 3.27:1, 6th gear ratio is .79. So, putting the numbers in with a 9k redline, yields 268 mph.

Thats plenty fast!

Edit: I did a quick search and the website said the final drive ratio was 3.27:1. But, I was sure it was 3.13! So redoing the calculations with a 3.13 rear end radio yields

280MPH!
 
#10 ·
yes

Definately gearing is OUR problem....Also aerodynamics is an issue. If you look at the McLaren and other cars, they are flat and low to the ground...There was a show on TV a while back about how after a certain point power is useless at high speed. It all becomes an issue of airflow....They called this point the "hand of god". They were basically tryin to explain that when you hit the aerodynamic limits of a car, the amount of power you have is useless. It is possible to hit the aerodynamic wall and actually start to spin the tires at 200+ mph..
Hope my rambling explained something.
Nick
 
#11 ·
also 6th gear is an overdrive gear and you would likely blow the motor is you continued to run it at high boost I also had my car tuned by justin nenni he basically said stay out of 6th gear pulls to be safe btu if you are going to run race gas and lower the boost from 150 on with me he said like 26lbs and I only have a 61. Not sure but he is the man to ask about your car especially since he is obligated to answer you since he actually has your car.
 
#12 ·
6th

I thought 6th gear was our most impressive gear though (for being 6th) ..hell this is where my Supra starts to get Freak Nasty (really pulls on the other guys), while other cars are useless in 6th.
Nick
 
#13 ·
Even with BPU I need the 6 gear for the top speed.... I was doing already 180mph on the autobahn and this is almost at the end of the 6th gear so no way it is a "overdrive" gear...
So if the car is APU it should EEEAASILY do 190mph+ on a rather moderate tune and boost level..
 
#14 ·
Search

I dont really remember where, but somewhere on this forum there was someone that had a calculator for weight, gearing, and power. They theoretically calculated the top speed of an APU supra and i think it was like 207 mph ..
Nick
 
#15 ·
Hefti2 said:
Even with BPU I need the 6 gear for the top speed.... I was doing already 180mph on the autobahn and this is almost at the end of the 6th gear so no way it is a "overdrive" gear...
So if the car is APU it should EEEAASILY do 190mph+ on a rather moderate tune and boost level..
The fastest speed in my Supra was 180mph in six gear and with 30psi on my old engine configuration and the six gear DID NOT seems like an overdrive since it pulls you really hard, no like Corvette that six gear run less mph than fifth gear.
 
#20 ·
HyperHoHo1 said:
The 6th gear is an overdrive. The 5th gear is a 1:1, so it should pull the hardest.
:rolleyes:
What do you consider an overdrive? A gear that has a lower ratio than 1:1? IMO an overdrive is a gear that is used to reduce rpm´s for fuel economy what is definitely not given in the case of the MK IV TT.. It is a drive gear and you will only reach top speed in that gear..
 
#21 ·
Didnt the jun supra hit like 254mph on the salt falts now considiring it had enough tape blocking every vent and crease to hold a metro to the ceiling but Thats booking
 
#22 ·
Thought this was interesting...

300 mph: The Aerodynamics of Drag and Power

The critical thing to understand is that drag increases as the square of speed. That is, while power increases in a linear fashion, drag increases exponentially with speed, in a parabolic function. For example (neglecting the effect of rolling resistance), if 100 horsepower would push a certain vehicle 100 miles per hour through the air, doubling the speed to 200 would require two-squared or 400 horsepower to overcome air resistance, while 300 miles per hour would require 900 horsepower.

Components of the following formulae which can be used to compute power required to achieve a certain speed in a vehicle:



Power = 8.702 x 10**(-6) x Cd x A x V**3



where Cd = coefficient of drag (look it up for your vehicle)

A = square feet of frontal area of the vehicle

V = Velocity, in miles per hour



The 8.702 x 10**(-6) section of the equation is a slightly-fudged correction factor made up by me to account for air density, gravity, rolling resistance, etc. Bell uses 6.7 x 10**(-6) x Cd x A x mph**3 and adjusts for actual rolling resistance, where



Rolling Power = 4.0 x 10**(-5) x weight x mph



Cd is adjusted to include rolling resistance (a relatively flat function), and air density is assumed to be standard Temp. and pressure at sea level. Intuitively, power required to achieve a certain speed is dependent on how good a shape the vehicle has (coefficient of drag), how big the shape is (frontal area), and how dense the air is.

Working through an example, Bill Gordon’s Norwood 8.2L 288-GTO 308 conversion, assuming a Cd of .33, a frontal area of 20.5 square feet, and assuming a target speed is 200 mph. Therefore,



Required Power = (8.702 x 10**(-6) x.33 x 20.5 x 200**3

Required Power = 0.000008702 x .33 x 20.5 x 8,000,000

Required Power = 472



Observed results when Norwood was running the car with a super-high-output naturally-aspirated 302-inch Chevrolet small-block engine were that the estimated 550-600 plus crankshaft horsepower took the car to 199 mph. Norwood says experience indicates it takes almost 600 crankshaft horsepower to break 200mph, a rule of thumb born-out yet again when a Norwood Toyota MR2-turbo set a record in the 1.5-liter blown modified sports class after it attained 207 mph on 465 chassis dyno rear-wheel horsepower, an estimated 585 at the crank.



Another formula computes power required to increase to a new higher speed:



New Required Power = Old Power (New Speed/Old Speed)**3, where Old Power is total available rear-wheel power.



For the 288-GTO to attain 300 miles per hour,



New Power = 472 x (300/200)**3

New Power = 1593



In another example, lets consider the same car with the frontal area reduced by decreasing the height by one inch (which can often effectively be achieved by lowering the car). In round numbers, assume frontal area is decreased by .5 square feet. This reduces power required to break 200 in the GTO to 460 at the wheels, meaning crankshaft horsepower required to break 300 is reduced by about 55.



Lowering the entire car has a direct effect on the frontal area multiplier, and is why you see speed record cars virtually scraping the ground. Lowering the GTO even one inch reduces frontal area roughly .5 square feet, reducing the frontal area multiplier to 20 square feet, which reduces required horsepower to hit 200 to 460, or 12 rwhp less. The point is, the effect of reducing drag pays far greater dividends on top speed than adding horsepower. It is standard practice to remove the side-view mirrors from “unmodified” cars before top speed runs.



The above equations assume that a vehicle’s the torque and power curves are optimized for the application—that is, that the powerplant is mated to a gearbox that enables the vehicle to be at or very near its peak power at the target potential top speed. Naturally, the vehicle's cooling system must keep up with thermal loading at wide open throttle long enough to reach the target speed, the tires must maintain their integrity, and so on.

Of course, most enthusiasts are more interested in road-racing-type performance than top speed, in which case the large down-forces needed to hold the car to the road on high-speed turns becomes essential and a necessary tradeoff against the added drag of the down-force wings. Good rear wings and frontal splitters and canards can add thousands of pounds of down-force at speeds over 100 mph, but they also add hugely to drag. You've heard it before, but there's no free lunch in aerodynamics either.
 
#26 ·
jeremyhelling said:
What power level would be needed to reach 200mph assuming stock 6spd gearing & aerodynamics? 1,000?

I think you with 500RWHP in the Supra is enough for 200mph since cars like Gallardo, Murcielago, C6 Z06, F430, ect reach around that speed with less HP and aspirated engine!!!!

Although you have 1000 at wheels in your car, is dangerous reach 200mph with that high amount of boost!!