Denso has some, you can buy direct. I just got one last month

 

https://www.densoproducts.com/denso-477-0136-ac-condenser

 

I'm not the OP but thank you! I bought a used one but will probably go this route anyways just to be sure of good AC performance.

 

After further experimenting with the vehicle filter, it does come up as compatible with model years 1986-87. Anyone know if there was a significant design change to the AC condenser in later model years or should it be good to go for any MK3 (e.g., 89+)?

 

Having owned both an 87 and currently an 89

The big difference i see is the connectors and fittings.

The sizes are similiar between both.

Anyone know what the condensor is made out off?

Aluminum
Brass

 

Interesting, because it seems @SupraGuy760 made the 477-0136 condenser work on his 1990 (see link below). Not sure if he had to swap brackets or make any other adjustments, but hopefully he can chime in to confirm. I decided to take a chance and ordered the 477-0145 model and am hoping it will work.

1990 White MK3 from outdoor storage to restoration +...

Edit: I wanted to add some pictures of where this started... I parked the car in my Mom's front yard for 5 years while I was moving around a bit. Before that, she was overdue for maintenance. Sadly, my memory of the car's state was much better than reality. Today I got the controller and...

www.supraforums.com

 

The Denso 477-0136 fits 9/87- 8/88 build date. It crosses over to Toyo p/n 88460-14252.
The Denso 477-0145 fits 1/87-9/87 build date. It crosses over to Toyo p/n 88460-14251.
There was also a Toyo p/n 88460-14250 which fit 1/86-1/87 build dates. Check your VIN label for build date.
All Toyo OEM condensers are aluminum construction and were made by Denso as the OEM supplier. The Receiver/Dryer was on pass side bracket on early models and moved to drivers side after 8/88* build date till the last 92. You could remove your existing condenser brackets and mount then to the new core once you remove the new brackets.

* Edit, had wrong date.

 

The Denso 477-0136 fits 9/87- 8/88 build date. It crosses over to Toyo p/n 88460-14252.
The Denso 477-0145 fits 1/87-9/87 build date. It crosses over to Toyo p/n 88460-14251.
There was also a Toyo p/n 88460-14250 which fit 1/86-1/87 build dates. Check your VIN label for build date.
All Toyo OEM condensers are aluminum construction and were made by Denso as the OEM supplier. The Receiver/Dryer was on pass side bracket on early models and moved to drivers side after 7/90 build date till the last 92. You could remove your existing condenser brackets and mount then to the new core once you remove the new brackets

Thanks for that info. How were you able to cross reference those part numbers? The Denso site has a cross reference search option, but doesn't pull up anything on those Toyota part numbers. Is there another way?

Also, my '89 has the receiver/dryer on the driver side.

 

BTW, The liquid lines to the different Receiver/Dryer location change will be different on both inlet and outlet due to the location change after 8/88* build. Also this condenser is a serpentine design condenser which was fine for R12 but not for 134A due to the higher high side pressures of 134A. You really need a parallel flow condenser when changing over to 134A refrigerant but they are no longer made by ACP. This is why Toyota NEVER approved of the change over to 134A on the MK3 Supra. You will will get only 80% of the rated BTUs that R12 had which was 22,800 BTUs on pre '89 and 24,000 BTUs after '89 models (newer design parallel flow evaporator and different block style TXV introduced in 89 run and up).
So you'll only see 18,000 - 19,000 BTUs with 134A installed in a system designed for R12. R134A is not as good of a refrigerant was as R12 for heat removal. You'd need a bigger displacement compressor, larger area condenser and evaporator with bigger diameter lines, a different expansion valve (TXV) with HFC charge to get the same BTUs with R134A over R12, FACT

 

This is why Toyota NEVER approved of the change over to 134A on the MK3 Supra.

Toyota did in TSB AC002-98 highlighted in red.

Does anyone have a measurement if the sizing?

 

"Thanks for that info. How were you able to cross reference those part numbers? The Denso site has a cross reference search option, but doesn't pull up anything on those Toyota part numbers. Is there another way?

Also, my '89 has the receiver/dryer on the driver side."

I went on Denso's site and they show the Toyo crossover p/n's for their model numbers.
Also my mistake the receiver/dryer was moved to drivers side after 8/88 build which was probably the beginning of the 89 run, sorry.

 

This is really interesting, as my 90 has the receiver/dryer on the passenger side. Were there differences between turbo and N/A?

 

Originally I posted 7/90 for the switch from pass to drivers side but then checking on the CygnusX1-Supra site it shows the change started with the '89 start production of 8/88.

No difference between T and N/A for any years.
Maybe a previous owner replaced the condenser with an older year? Only difference is the 2 liquid lines to dryer for opposite side location, same 2 dryer brackets, same dryer. Just a thought.

 

89-92 receiver/dryer location driver's side: Heating & Air Conditioning - Cooler Piping

 

1/86- 8/88 (86.5- 88) receiver/dryer location pass side: Heating & Air Conditioning - Cooler Piping

You can click on p/n's in above illustrations to get details for application dates.

 

"Can you provide the link to the Denso site you're using? densoautoparts.com does not show any corresponding Toyota part numbers for me. Screenshot below shows what I get for any given condenser part number:"
Click AC condensers and fill in years,

https://densoautoparts.com/find-my-part.aspx

 

I see what the EPC says in one place, but my Supra born August 1987 has the receiver/dryer on the driver side. It's been there ever since I bought the car in 1992. I can't imagine that the original owner moved it.

Poking through the EPC, it's confusing, fer sure, particularly when @SupraGuy760 has a '90 with the receiver on the passenger side.

It's more complicated than just pre-89 and 89+. Checking the "Pipe, Cooler Refrigerant Liquid, A" in the link from post #19 88716-1B121, it was used starting 03/1987. Briefly from 01/1987 to 03/1987 they used 88716-1B120, now superceded by 88716-1B121. This page is more complete. Seems like the transition date from passenger to driver side was 01/1987. But not always.

 

My 87 N/A with 6/87 build date had it on pass side

 

" It's more complicated than just pre-89 and 89+. Checking the "Pipe, Cooler Refrigerant Liquid, A" in the link from post #19 88716-1B121, it was used starting 03/1987. Briefly from 01/1987 to 03/1987 they used 88716-1B120, now superceded by 88716-1B121. This page is more complete. Seems like the transition date from passenger to driver side was 01/1987. But not always."

I think when available stock was gone of say 1B120 Toyota substituted to 1B121 knowing it would work if you moved the dryer to the opposite side. Of course you would of needed to order the other line too. I see they show "TWT" (with Turbo) on the 1B121 line that moves dryer to drivers side. Maybe with the 3rd pusher fan with shroud mounted on front of condenser on the Auto, the dryer got in the way on the pass side?? Also on parts #'s superseded by, Toyota was doing that with some of the colored trim parts too, substituting say shadow gray for blue once blue was no longer available figuring a different color is better than nothing as you could always spray paint it.

 

To further complicate things, the condenser on my car does not have any fan in front of it. Should it? I don't know what specifications are associated with a MK3 Supra having one vs not having one.

 

Just on the 89 and up Turbo w/ Auto for 3rd pusher fan

 

Heating & Air Conditioning - Cooler Piping

Bottom illustration TWT ATM = turbo w/ auto '89 and up

 

Interesting note and a bit off topic: The 89 and up turbo w/ ATM 3rd fan got the 80 amp alternator as opposed to the 70amp BUT when you turn on the headlights the relay that turns it on drops out. I figure it was too much electrical load even with the 80amp so Toyota engineers dropped out the 3rd fan figuring at night with headlights on it would might be cooler out. But, what about on a hot summers day with AC on in a funeral procession, lol

 

Over 7 years years ago when I asked the service manager at my local Toyota dealer about the AC service campaign on our 89-92 Supras TXVs needle sticking problem, he said it never expires and they would either add a special lubricate to the AC system if there currently was no problem with the TXV's needle sticking or replace the TXV if it was stuck open or close and reclaim/recharge the system back with R12 as, "Toyota did not approve of converting the system to R134A." Not making that up as that really surprised me that they still had R12. They did! I was able to take a 30 lb tank of R12 when I did my AC mod in 2014 and was told to just keep it. It helps that I know the parts manager and owners son very well. So I ended up getting about a third of a 30 lb tank which I currently have stored in basement. I made up and installed dual staggered AC brand parallel flow condensers ( model AC39293P when they were available) piped in series one behind the other along with a larger displacement ND PA20 compressor off a 92 Cressida which is bigger in both diameter and length than the stock PA17 on our Supras. It bolts right up to engine when using the different Cressida's compressor bracket. Both use the 7M engine for those that didn't know. Same AC idler, same belt but you must retain the Cressida's clutch assy so that clutch, crank and idler pulleys are all inline. I had to adjust the superheat adjustment screw on the stock R12 TXV to feed more liquid to evaporator as I was pulling down to below 15 psi with the larger PA20 compressor. I added 2 extra ounces of mineral oil to system for the second condenser.
I honestly have serious kick ass freezing cold R12 meat locker AC, 34-35 degrees on the hottest/humid CT days from center louvers. Since doing this over 7+ years ago and re-O ringing every joint with the newest Toyota red O rings, I have yet to add a single ounce of R12. Sight glass is still completely clear on hottest day with 1500+ rpm, max recir., highest blower and all windows down. Black car, black leather seats with shadow gray interior is seriously cold on hottest day. I have such capacity, the AC clutch cycles on the hottest day in driveway at idle due to evaporator's thermistor temp. cut out.
Of all the mods I've done in 17 years, this is the best one!

 

I received my Denso 477-0145 AC condenser today, and from what I can tell so far it looks compatible with a driver-side receiver/dryer configuration, which is the current setup on my Supra. The only thing I'm concerned about now is if I have all the proper brackets I need that are already on the car, because the current AC condenser is some off-off-OFF brand called Sahar Industries and stuff looks weird with it as far as the mounting points.

Weather is starting to get cold, windy, and rainy, so I don't know when I'll be able to dig into this project. I know from past experience that Toyota service manuals can gloss over the difficulty level of removal and installation steps, and the one I have does not indicate I'll need to remove the radiator to swap the condenser, but is that realistic? The steps are basically to discharge the AC, remove the hood latch stuff, and then of course the piping and somehow slide it out. Thoughts?

 

I received my Denso 477-0145 AC condenser today, and from what I can tell so far it looks compatible with a driver-side receiver/dryer configuration, which is the current setup on my Supra......
I know from past experience that Toyota service manuals can gloss over the difficulty level of removal and installation steps, and the one I have does not indicate I'll need to remove the radiator to swap the condenser, but is that realistic? The steps are basically to discharge the AC, remove the hood latch stuff, and then of course the piping and somehow slide it out. Thoughts?

The radiator can stay. Remove hood latch, the center bracket with horns, the coolant tank and bracket on N/A
On turbo you also need to remove the engine under cover, the turbo's intercooler, the oil cooler and the 3rd pusher condenser fan on auto tranny only. If the mounting brackets on your new condenser don't work out (different side dryer location) the original brackets on your old condenser were bolted on the core, remove and swap them to new condenser if those brackets are removable.
You'll need to install a new receiver/dryer (15-20 minutes open to atmosphere and desiccant is saturated). Add * .7 ozs of either mineral oil ND6 if still R12 or ND 8 Pag 46/ Ester oil for R134A to the new dyer. Don't remove the new dryer's caps until just before mounting up to liquid lines. Also you have to add *1.4- 1.7 ozs of oil for the correct refrigerant used to your new condenser, so total of * 2.1- 2.4 ozs of added oil with a new condenser and a new dryer. If you don't add you'll be short on oil charge and compressor and TXV's metering needle will be oil starved. You have to keep the total oil charge at * 7-8 ozs (original capacity for R12) for in system for compressor and expansion valve lubrication.
Of course you'll need to vacuum the system with a vacuum pump before recharging with refrigerant.
Note: * is the capacity listed in Toyo AC oil charts and the TSRM for original R12 refrigerant use, may be less when using 134A refrigerant oil as the total refrigerant charge is less with 134A

 

Hello! I am just trying to find all parts to rebuild my AC. So far the only missing thing is the condensor. Unfortunatly Denso has continued the production of the condensor.

Is there any chance, that somebody has a brand new condensor in stock? I am willing to pay above the retail. Please PM me if somebody will sell.

Thank you
David

 

I bought Ebay one. brand newI havn't installed it yet I will update .

 

Are you willing to sell?

David

 

No I bought it from Ebay I dont have time to install it yet .